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Off Topic Madeleine McCann ..... who's to blame ?

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    You'd hope so although the fact that the suspect is a sex offender, who was living in the area, might be leading the police too much.

    It's also possible that he's enjoying pulling the strings and watching the police jump as prisoners do.

    If the police really do have intel I'll be surprised, their searching seems too scattergun tbh.

    Hopefully they'll find the remains they're looking for, match them to Brueckner and allow the parents to grieve ...

    ... I just don't believe that will happen in the three months before he's released.
     
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    I assume they have had to acquire search warrants. Those require some sort of evidence base. This search does look a bit widespread, but maybe it is based on something like this blokes movements in the days after? Just seems a bit odd to me the German authorities would spend what I guess is a decent amount of money without some reasonably solid reasons.
     
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    i doubt it tbh, the only building appears to be the remnants of an abandoned farmhouse.

    According to Reuters ' Portuguese and German police on Tuesday launched joint searches of a "vast" area in Portugal's southern Algarve region'.

    The British police claimed they had significant grounds, spent millions searching and came up with an old sock.

    I really hope this new search finds something ...

    ... at worst the matching sock.
     
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    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    Just said to the Mrs that the police have a suspect and are trying to fit the evidence around him if you get what I mean....this has been a *uck up from the first minute all those years ago.
    Murders like this are extremely rare and the answer usually ends up being closer to home.....the parents seem to have done a very good job of evading the truth from coming to the surface.
    It'll never be solved now imo.
     
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    like its been said

    1) why go out for a meal and drinks leaving the kids alone
    2) why say "they've taken her"
    3) why not take all 3 kids from the hotel room
    4) any child would be crying/screaming if a stranger had pickied them up,
    5) why play tennis the morning after your child is missing? surely you would be doing EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to find her
    6) why wash her teddy with her scent on it?
    7) why keep doing interviews etc
    8) her siblings must have the worst childhood ever, always in her shadow.
    9) they look guily as sin
    10) sorry for the rant
    11) just keeping this going
    12) why is no one talking about the blood in their hire car?
    13) OR the fact someone fitting the Dad's description was seen carrying a child to a boat?
     
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    It will all be owned by somebody so a warrant is sure to be needed. Might just be a formality of course.

    The land being searched is a strip between the resort and a property used by the suspect.

    Seems a large stretch of land but not random. I just dont see why they spend this amount of money and resource unless they think they have a chance of finding something.
     
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    The news said that warrants had been obtained.
     
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    She refused to answer 48 questions to the police. As an educated person , surely she knows that police put close people to the forefront of their attention. For me , I would cooperate quickly so they could eliminate me and get on looking elsewhere
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    As it's police from another country I'm not surprised tbh, I just don't think it's anything too significant, I hope I'm wrong.

    The German police say they're searching 'a vast area' so the intel doesn't sound too precise.

    I don't know what the cost is but the British police claimed they had intel and suspects, spent £12million and found absolutely nothing.

    As it's now the Germans, spending money, it doesn't bother me although we still have a team of detectives 'working on it' ...

    ... why the British police believe they can help, after two decades of total failure isn't quite clear.
     
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  10. Bucky1989

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    exactly,
    you would do anything you can to help,
    not fly home at the end of your holiday?

    millions of pounds have been wasted on this
     
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    …. and surely not answering the questions is “ obstructing an investigation “ ?
     
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    you'll be correct mr good pie sir
     
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    Parents are to blame, probably been said already but their neglect lead to all of this and I’m still not convinced they’re innocent
     
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    Wouldn’t know about Portuguese law, which the investigation would be based under. But certainly in the UK and elsewhere, it’s not obstruction to refuse to answer questions put to you by law enforcement. As a suspect you have the right not to comment and generally speaking no inferences can be drawn. It’s the first part of the English and Welsh caution “you do not have to say anything….” Similar to the Miranda rights in the US. Don’t know about Canada. Here in Australia the beginning of the caution is the same as well.
    As a witness in the Anglosphere there is generally no legal obligation put upon you to assist the police. Morally most people should and would but they don’t have to.
     
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    I’ve heard every excuse in the book from people, including my friends and family, defending the parents … none hold water in my opinion.

    It would be bad enough if they’d turned their backs, for twenty minutes while the kids were asleep by the pool, while they jumped in for a swim.

    But these were three tiny children systematically left alone, every night, in a strange flat where they didn’t speak the language. It was pre-planned and the parents considered the risks were worth taking.

    It wasn’t a momentary lapse of judgment, or a mistake …

    … between them they discussed it and decided their enjoyment was more important than taking proper care of their children.

    To make it even worse, if that’s possible, they didn't think it was worth forking out for the babysitting service.
     
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    I've always maintained that had this been Joe and Jen Smith from Marley Potts, they'd be behind bars now
     
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    I think we have to be a little bit careful mate. The circumstances of the case have been confused from the start.
    I can remember,when my 3 kids were small,having holidays on a camp-site in the South of France,putting them to bed in the van after an exhausting day on the beach and in the sea/pool,and getting together with the couple from Holland over the track, sitting outside their van,having a drink and a bit of footy crack on very warm evenings...often till late.We could always see our van and the entrance door....and every once in a while my missus would wander over to check up on them.... we never considered there was any sort of threat....but, there would have been times when our communal eyes weren't looking!
    There for the grace of God,I expect!
     
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  18. Smug in Boots

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    Don’t think so tbh mate, the parents admitted they left the children alone while they went out.

    The scenario you describe is totally different.

    If the parents aren’t directly responsible then someone went into the flat, unseen, picked up the child and carted them away.

    That couldn’t have happened in your case.
     
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    Yes,you're right. I suppose I'm trying to understand a case where the parents were socialising,without the direct view?
    In my scenario,might have happened to us if we were invited to a van a couple of plots down....late at night,wine flowing,just checked on them...only for another 15 mins?
     
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    Yes it’s difficult to get your head round mate.

    For me the big difference is that if your kids woke up they’d be in a space they were familiar with and would be able to alert you.

    The McCann children were in a strange flat at the top of a set of concrete steps. If they’d woken up upset, after a nightmare, and couldn’t get out they’d be scared. Even if they’d managed to open the door they wouldn’t be in earshot.

    They really were left alone.
     
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