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Sectionals - Humour Me

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  1. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    Go on, because it is you!

    Delacroix has no sectionals as racing in Ireland.

    Dante

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    Suggests that Damysus was the only horse that could be deemed unlucky and that Pride Of Arras was a good winner. It also suggests The Lion In Winter is a silly price given that race. However, can you forgive one run?

    I'd say this suggests that Damysus is overpriced at 12/1 in comparison to TLIW and Pride Of Arras.

    2000 Guineas

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    This shows that Ruling Court got a more optimum ride than Field Of Gold, and that has obviously been franked. It also suggests Shadow Of Light should have got closer to the winner, whilst there was a good distance back to the rest. Interesting that Wimbledon Hawkeye features in both and is beaten a longer distance by Ruling Court. Strong form, but can he do it over the Derby trip?

    Chester Vase

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    Unsurprisingly for me, the sectional upgrades for this suggest that Lambourn could have won even easier, he was given a peach of a ride and we know the trip is fine. The key question with him is purely, "is he good enough".

    Then you have Stanhope Gardens, who is very tricky to assess given his last race, and Purview who ran into Delacroix last time.
     
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    What does the analysis of Al Wasl Storm's win at Chester say?
     
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    Suggesting Ammes would have got very close if they had run to an optimum running style. Suggests Al Wasl Storm got the run of the race and that made the difference, and that Ammes and Pole Star would have got much closer.
     
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    So if he runs at Epsom he is likely to try and do it form the front. Probably get collared at the 2 pole but that's why he is 150/1.
     
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  5. Ron

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    So for your sectional upgrade selections Nass, are you pulling out the ones with the biggest upgrades or are you using the upgraded finishing position to assess the form?
     
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    Dire day

    Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
    Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
    2025-05-10 15.05
    2025-05-11 4.99
    2025-05-12 -16.00
    2025-05-13 7.25
    2025-05-14 -20.00
    2025-05-15 -9.19
    2025-05-16 -46.00
    2025-05-17 20.80
    2025-05-18 -15.34
    2025-05-19 -12.36
    2025-05-20 -8.00
    2025-05-21 -14.42
    2025-05-22 63.51
    2025-05-23 8.42
    2025-05-24 -18.56
    2025-05-25 -1.54
    2025-05-26 -24.52
    2025-05-27 -26.00
    TOTAL -91.91


    14:30 Hamilton Moutai Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    14:48 Newton Abbot Stinginhisstep Summer Jumps = Sectionals
    14:48 Newton Abbot La Trattaria Summer Jumps = Sectionals

    15:00 Hamilton Jannas Journey Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:00 Hamilton Spun To Gold Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:30 Hamilton Lord Roxby Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:40 Beverley Lesrico Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:48 Newton Abbot Hold Your Fort Summer Jumps = Sectionals
    16:10 Beverley Mist Rollin In Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:30 Hamilton Cougar Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:40 Beverley Inspiring Speeches Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:40 Beverley Arch Legend Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    19:22 Kempton Tremolo All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:22 Kempton Turquino All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:22 Kempton Turquino Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    20:22 Kempton Due To Henry All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:22 Kempton Federated All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:22 Kempton Calumet All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:52 Kempton Kissininthebackrow All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    20:52 Kempton Ghasham All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG

    49 staked
     
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    Morning Ron, biggest upgrades, which means we are pulling out horses who seem to have very little chance on the formbook. The idea of the system is to find big price winners. It is failing at the minute, but one big price would turn it all around still....

    Funnily though, I have been reading races differently with this data, and that forms more along the upgraded finishing position line. That is currently providing more success, but again, that is short term view of it all.
     
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    Morning Nass. Just wondering if, having selected a horse with the biggest sectional upgrade, you effectively "put in" the horse that won the race in which the selection ran, to see if that would be favourite to win the race in which the selection now runs. If you would expect that horse to win this race by say 5l, and the sectional upgrade of the selected horse put it within 4l of the winner that day, it could imply that the selected horse is therefore well over-priced and highly likely to win; especially if it also has a jockey and/or going and/or distance upgrade. Throw in stable in form. If the winner of the race resulting in the sectional upgrade has run well since that would be an extra plus.

    I suppose I should mention that you wouldn't want the winner of the race in which the sectional upgrade selection ran to have been given a negative sectional upgrade

    I hope that makes sense

    I think what I am saying, from a different angle, is that, even with the sectional upgrade it could still have no chance on form; so using it blindly may throw up the occasional winner but is likely to have long losing runs

    I think the sectional upgrades combined with other factors mentioned above are invaluable. It would be very difficult to take into account factors like"not fully wound up and in need of race" and "ran green/pulled hard" etc
     
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    Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
    Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
    2025-05-10 15.05
    2025-05-11 4.99
    2025-05-12 -16.00
    2025-05-13 7.25
    2025-05-14 -20.00
    2025-05-15 -9.19
    2025-05-16 -46.00
    2025-05-17 20.80
    2025-05-18 -15.34
    2025-05-19 -12.36
    2025-05-20 -8.00
    2025-05-21 -14.42
    2025-05-22 63.51
    2025-05-23 8.42
    2025-05-24 -18.56
    2025-05-25 -1.54
    2025-05-26 -24.52
    2025-05-27 -26.00
    2025-05-28 50.12
    TOTAL -41.79

    A good day with four winners, at 8.78, 4.1, 4.2 and 12.02 BSP

    14:30 Lingfield Blenheim Lad All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    15:40 Yarmouth Obsidian Knight Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:50 Ripon Big Meeting Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:50 Ripon High Point Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    17:05 Lingfield Step Along Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    17:20 Yarmouth Cancan In The Rain Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    19:50 Carlisle Doomsday Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    19:50 Carlisle Lockdown Lass Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    20:40 Sandown Miletus Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    20:40 Sandown Surrey Shadow Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
     
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    Blank day yesterday, will update the scores tomorrow as got a couple of urgent things today.

    13:45 Carlisle Time Tells All Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    13:45 Carlisle Aighear Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    14:05 Brighton Dark Sorceress Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
    14:45 Carlisle Jack Of Clubs Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:05 Brighton Otago Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:15 Carlisle Freak Encounter Sectionals - Fast Finishing and not beaten far
    15:15 Carlisle Promise Time Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:35 Brighton Voix De Bocelli Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:45 Carlisle Haafapenny Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:45 Carlisle Toronto Raptor Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:15 Carlisle Sherlock Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    17:15 Brighton Barnsnape Boy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    17:20 Carlisle Homer Stokes Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    17:20 Carlisle The Gay Blade Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    17:30 Haydock Unplugged Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    17:30 Haydock Warning Sign Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    19:15 Haydock Initial Blue Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    19:15 Haydock Sunlit Uplands Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    19:28 Catterick Honour Your Dreams Front Runners - Sectional Time - Look at Race

    19:35 Stratford Latenightfumble Summer Jumps = Sectionals

    20:38 Catterick Mersea Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
     
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    A few winners yesterday, will update properly this afternoon.

    13:13 Haydock Imperial Sovereign Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    13:13 Haydock Galyx Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    13:30 York Beale Street Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    13:48 Haydock Kodi Lion Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    14:40 York Bond Chairman Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:20 Chester Perseus Way Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    15:50 York Jamaican Storm Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:50 York Singoura Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    16:08 Haydock Zouky Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:25 York Cape Breton Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    16:55 Southwell She Went Whoosh Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
    17:30 Stratford Old Bridge Summer Jumps = Sectionals
    18:00 Stratford Asian Star Summer Jumps = Sectionals

    18:10 Lingfield Appier Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    20:40 Lingfield Mart Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
    20:40 Lingfield Spanish Star Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
     
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    I owe two days of results and an end of month review. I will try and get onto this today/tomorrow

    Todays selections

    13:55 Nottingham Captain Cess Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    15:00 Fakenham Dartmouth Rose Summer Jumps = Sectionals
    16:30 Nottingham Expressionless Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    16:45 Chelmsford City Jack McNamara All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
    18:15 Chelmsford City Wisper All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
     
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    Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
    Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
    2025-05-10 15.05
    2025-05-11 4.99
    2025-05-12 -16.00
    2025-05-13 7.25
    2025-05-14 -20.00
    2025-05-15 -9.19
    2025-05-16 -46.00
    2025-05-17 20.80
    2025-05-18 -15.34
    2025-05-19 -12.36
    2025-05-20 -8.00
    2025-05-21 -14.42
    2025-05-22 63.51
    2025-05-23 8.42
    2025-05-24 -18.56
    2025-05-25 -1.54
    2025-05-26 -24.52
    2025-05-27 -26.00
    2025-05-28 50.12
    2025-05-29 -20.00
    2025-05-30 -16.61
    2025-05-31 -15.15
    2025-06-01 -13.00
    TOTAL -106.55

    Disappointing to say the least. Let's have a quick review of Month 1 -

    -93.55 stake

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    One major losing system.... time to reduce that down to 1pt a bet.
     
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    2pt wins

    16:10 Brighton Maguire Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
    19:30 Wetherby Himself Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win

    1pt wins

    16:10 Brighton Sunset In Paris Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
    20:15 Windsor Miss Dubai Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
     
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