And despite being banned since November, he still finished the season with more goals than Kyle Joseph.
****ing hell....that's telling.....also more goals and assists (1 & 1) than Alzate (0 & 1) and Puerta (1 & 0)!!!!
It's not his fault he was hyped up and we fell for it, then we dumped him into a relegation ****storm. He had no chance.
Is that not first refusal? An optional fee just means a fee is agreed before the loan starts if the interested team would want to purchase the player during the loan. Other teams can still bid as far as I'm aware.
Yeah I swear another team could come in with a higher bid for him and then it would be down to the player, we’d just be able to get him for less. Option is an agreed price, almost a release clause that if you agree terms he’s yours. Obligation everything has to be done before they join.
An option still will mean we have agreed wages with him, it just means we don't have to do it. Look at Brentford announcing they'd activated the option to buy Kayode. It isn't "They've activated the option and are now negotiating with the player"
They can't sell him while he is on a loan contract with us, but other teams can make offers have bids accepted, he just wouldn't sign until his loan with us expires.
Which is what I said, he can't sign for other clubs until our option expires which is at the end of his loan. Until then only we can sign him. Otherwise it'd be a pretty **** option. Is it end of June?
That's exactly what it is. When we signed George Boyd, he signed on loan with a permanent contract agreed already, so nobody else could sign him when it expired. So it was sort of like a loan with a guarantee at the end. First refusals are where the club the player is on loan at must be notified if another club puts an offer in and if the loan club want to bid, their offer is accepted first. They tend to be a bit more like informal agreements and aren't as common these days. An optional fee is up to the club to decide if they want to activate it or not, whether or not terms are negotiated at the start of the loan or in the last week is neither here nor there. If another club comes in during our negotiations, then Zambrano is well within his rights to reject our contract in favour of another elsewhere. He isn't obliged to accept it, it's just that if we offer the agreed price (like a release clause, basically), then LDU Quito have to accept it under the terms of the contract.
It is the end of June. Apologies, I thought you meant he could literally move clubs. He could strike up an agreement if these negotiations failed today and somebody offered him a contract tomorrow, is what I meant.
This is giving me flashbacks to Orange arguing this two years ago. If anyone has examples of options being triggered and players refusing to move I'm all ears but 999/1000 a club triggers the option, the player signs. The number of posts being taken up on the hypothetical that Zambrano rejects us for another club is way out of proportion with the chances of it happening.
Players can be bought whilst on loan, in fact it’s the only way a player can be automatically recalled without requiring the approval of both clubs.
Yep, if it's just a straight out loan then you do sometimes see other clubs swoop in and buy a player while he's on loan. I'm happy to be proven wrong (some will laugh at that) but I don't recall ever seeing a player on loan with either an option or obligation being sold to a third club before the expiry of the option. We've even seen it with Puerta where it sounds like he's going to be off this summer, but we still triggered the obligation first. Ditto Giles last summer with Boro interested (i.e. Giles couldn't refuse personal terms with us to instead go to Boro). I'm ceding to Kieran Maguire again here who would know quite a bit on the subject, but he has always said that with both options and obligations, personal terms are agreed and signed off with the player up front, so that if a club exercises the option it automatically triggers the purchase of the player.
Is this an example?, Yes, it is possible for a footballer to be recalled from a loan with an option to buy and then subsequently sold to another team. This is often done when the parent club decides to pursue a different strategy for the player, such as selling them permanently to a different club, or if the player's performances or other factors lead the parent club to believe they would be better off elsewhere. Here's a breakdown of how it could happen: 1. Loan with Option to Buy: The player's parent club (Club A) loans them to another club (Club B) with an agreement that Club B has the option to purchase the player at the end of the loan period. 2. Recall Clause: The loan agreement may include a clause allowing Club A to recall the player before the end of the loan period, potentially for various reasons. 3. Recall and Sale: If Club A exercises their recall option, they can then choose to sell the player to a different club (Club C) rather than exercising the option to buy with Club B. 4. Reasons for Recall and Sale: This might be because the player's performance at the loan club isn't as expected, or because Club A has identified a better opportunity for the player elsewhere, or they need to make room in their squad. Examples: Ruud Gullit: In 1993, Milan recalled Ruud Gullit from his loan spell at Sampdoria, reportedly due to his strong performances and the threat he posed to Milan's chances in the league. He was then sold to Sampdoria the following season. Tom Cannon: Leicester City recalled Tom Cannon from his loan at Stoke City, potentially to re-evaluate his situation or find a more suitable loan destination. Connor Evans: Stockport County recalled Connor Evans from his loan at AFC Wimbledon and later sold Joe Lewis to the Dons permanently. In essence, the recall clause allows the parent club to regain control of the player and make a different decision about their future, including selling them to a new team
