Off Topic Politics Thread

They say they are gonna act! words are meaningless as we have seen when they do not actually act on most of these promises. No one believes him. The left are just moaning about the words he has used or that he has said anything but they know it will result in no action in reality.

Same as Tories talking right wing but not doing anything.

 

Not a chance! More likely to lose seats or face a wipe out. Have you not seen the big blonde guy off stage, ready and waiting to re-enter, willing to lead whichever way the wind is blowing, to guide the UK into a new golden age of undreamt of riches, with creating a new paradise, with building a "one nation" society? I just can't wait for his great and fantastic return.

 

No one believes any politician, that’s true. Which is why I’ve been saying that Labour has until 2028 to make a tangible difference to ordinary people’s lives, or we’re all ****ed. The Tories have been an unmitigated disaster, Reform would be far far worse. The LibDems are fine at running town halls in wealthy boroughs, but have no plan for Government. Labour, for all their faults, are the only grownups in the room.

 

I'm with you on this,

The Tories IMO will take more than one election cycle to vaguely recover from where they are. Unless Labour make a difference to the ordinary person, then reform will lap up the votes and then IMO we are in trouble.

 

Reform are a shiny bauble for people who now exist in the age of ten second attention spans. The UniParty lie, and it is a lie as there are clear ideological differences between our parties, justifies most people’s lack of understanding of politics. The undermining of our political system - with no tolerance for long term thinking and reactionary responses to every single word and policy - means political credibility is now secondary, or perhaps tertiary, to the ability to get sound bites right.

Labour splitting would be a disaster in the short term and make the left a much easier target for the rightwing opinion leaders who dominate our society. I believe the best we can hope for is for the left to work from within a centrist Labour to protect the welfare state and ensure education, health and policing are no longer hollowed out.

 

Net migration over the past 4 years is above 3-million. Higher than the past 12 years combined, which were the 12 years that led towards brexit...

If Starmer makes no attempt to stem the outrageous flow of immigration to this country, Reform will win. End of story.

The speech was nothing close to racist, I have watched and read it and it was very fair in light of actual public opinion.

Lots of sensible ideas
- language standard requirements for both immigrants and all their dependents.
- stop industries importing cheap foreign labour driving down wages in certain sectors (care, nursing, engineering etc..) at the expense of training British people and paying a fair wage.
- changing citizenship from 5 to 10 years.

Its a good start but will need to be followed up by enforcing rules that make large companies invest in the youth of Britain.

The NHS is on its arse in large part to the now over reliance on foreign labour and it's about time someone actually tackled this head on.

It isn't racist to say the country has an immigration problem, apart from apparently when someone, Starmer, tries to say so, even if in a very balanced and nuanced way.

Too many cushy old people with fat pensions morally idealising and ranting at young people who are existing in a society that isn't training them for the actual work requirements of the nation.

Comparing him to Enoch Powell and Nigel Farage is utterly laughable.

If Labour is idealogically a party that can't attempt to understand and deal with immigration levels that are far too high, then we all will end up with Trumpian politics, which none of us want at all.

 

I can’t disagree with this, but it’s disappointing that Starmer is apparently chasing Reform voters now.

 

I think he isn’t. He is chasing Labour voters who feel unheard and are going over to Reform.

 

Archers, stop arguing on here - you've a very important match thread to do!

 

No I get that, but he is borrowing Reform’s clothing to do it, which makes me suspicious.

It’s the same logic which makes him completely rule out joining the Customs Union and Single Market, despite public opinion in the rest of the country being in favour of it, because the Red Wall voted for Brexit.

 

Sorry what are blabbering on about.
I don’t hate anybody. I do however object to the way Israelis government are killing civilians
I don’t believe in any faith enough to hate anybody that believe in a different one to me. I also have friends that are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and others.
I do object to a government that bombs and kills children and stop aid convoys getting through.