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The 'war' on drugs is being lost ...

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    ... as is the war against illegal immigrants.

    Drugs that are produced in third world countries are sold, for large amounts, to dealers who sell them on for huge amounts. There's no other criminal activity that can produce such immense and regular profits. Human trafficking is not far behind.

    The various UK governments have been absolutely hopeless in trying to fight these things ...

    ... because they're looking at the problems from entirely the wrong perspective.

    What they need is someone, with a chequered past and a devious mind, to explain how to make a massive difference and attack the gangs using tactics many times more underhand than them. There are endless ways to do this and I'll be sending a letter to Downing Street offering my assistance ... laugh if you like but I'm being serious and Captain Morgan hasn't paid a visit this evening <laugh>

    These are issues that affect us all so, in the spirit of fun and interest, what would you suggest we do ...

    ... everything else has totally failed so it's time to stop f*cking about and get serious.
     
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  2. RTB

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    I'd ban the import of bananas, onions, garlic and ginger :emoticon-0102-bigsm

    Gang hid £7bn of drugs in garlic and onion cargo
    It is believed to be the largest drug smuggling operation ever detected in the UK, Manchester Crown Court has heard. They hid heroin, cocaine and cannabis in cargoes of strong-smelling onion, garlic and ginger.3 Dec 2024

    “A banana import business was used as a front to smuggle well over two thousand kilograms of cocaine into the UK; representing international drug trafficking on an industrial scale.3 Dec 2024
     
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  3. Nonsense Potter

    Nonsense Potter Well-Known Member

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    Legalise all but the very worst and most damaging drugs (those that, in the short term, cause people to behave in ways that risk harm to themselves and others) and start offering proper support (physical and mental) to the (ab)users on the basis that clearly prohibition isn't helping either them or society?
     
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  4. Evil Jimmy Krankie

    Evil Jimmy Krankie Well-Known Member

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    The war was lost decades ago if it was ever capable of being won in the first place.
    I can say this from a position of moral authority as I have never taken drugs other than those prescribed to me by a doctor. If you take drugs for any other reason other than a need or a want to get a high out of them, then you are part of the problem. If there wasn’t a demand for them then there wouldn’t be drug use problem.
    I’m sure that some will come back at me castigating my stance but to be honest I don’t care. I’m not saying that I know better, I probably don’t. But I can say that I’ve seen, more than most, the toll drug use takes on people.
    And yes, I’ve heard the argument that alcohol is worse. Maybe, but the difference between alcohol in general and the illegal possession and use of drugs is that alcohol is legal on the whole and has been part of society since forever. Meth and heroin and cocaine and similar drugs are a relative newcomer to the party.
    Then there is the argument for legalising all drugs. That would just create a black market for them in my opinion. The selling of drugs will still happen but for different reasons.
    Do I know the answer? Of course I don’t as it’s a far too complex a subject for my minuscule and staid brain to work out. Maybe there isn’t an answer. But if as a society we start to be a lot less accepting of drug use then perhaps that could be a start.
    Right, to quote a SMBism, tin hat on.
     
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  5. WillD

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    What's going to happen to all the barber shops and car washes?
     
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    LD19SAFC Well-Known Member

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    You’re right in what you’re saying, the demand for cocaine is absolutely huge. It’s rife, everywhere
     
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    And nail bars. Our town centres now resemble the town centres in third world countries. Disgusting
     
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  8. Row 3

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    Mostly cash only of course, money laundering scumbags.
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

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    I’d cancel electricity
     
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  10. gelders pie

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    ... and ''Mini Markets''
     
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  11. flandersmackem

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    In so many ways I hate being the age I am...I see no benefits to being 67.... That said, Not sure I would want to be my grandkids age either... The world they are growing up in is not safe and a minefield to negotiate to try and do " the right thing" . My Kids are trying to do their best bringing them up the right way, but peer pressure is strong and we hope and pray they have the will and the nous to reject the likes of drugs and alcohol at their young age....lets see. But as Jimmy says, the drugs was was lost many years ago.
     
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    Hate drugs and all the problems that they cause, they have affected some of my family and friends over the years and its awful to see.
    Dont think it can ever be stopped but do think jail time similar to that in America would make the scumbags think twice about peddling it. Jail in this country is a breeze, HMP Durham is a holiday camp, make it like Frankland.
     
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  13. samwise_new

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    to manufacture drugs on the scale that some manage (the big cartels etc) there has to be a canny wedge of visual evidence at the very least...yet the 'farms' never seem to be found apart from the odd back street attic jobby, certain people in some countries must know but turn a blind eye maybe through fear or because of an extra fat pay check.

    same with the people smugglers, the amount of life jackets and rubber boats being moved about have to leave a big footprint.

    actually, the more i think about it, the more i think various governments are happy to let some things go as long as they get richer because when it does go t1ts up it won't be them in the firing line.
     
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  14. Ozzymac

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    Ban cash and crypto. Make every transaction visible through the banking network.

    Ban offshore bank accounts or at worst tax at an exorbitant rate any monies being transferred into places like the Cayman Islands.

    Hit them where it hurts, in the wallet
     
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    You're right. It is a deadly serious problem. And it isn't just the huddled wretches in dingy rooms who suffer.

    Politicians of all hues, " professionals" in the field, journalists, police, everyone who is asked, all say the same.

    They say. "Oh but it's impossible. What can we do? It's the same every where".

    But it isn't. Try buying heroin or crack or cocaine in Singapore. It is almost impossible. Anyone caught selling such drugs WILL be executed. No battalions of human rights lawyers, or speechifying politicians can save you. You will be executed.

    Anyone caught using such drugs will face five years in jail, no remission. No appeal. So it is just not worth the risk there. You can't get the stuff.

    This might be too salty a remedy for many, and that is fair enough. But a remedy it clearly has been shown to be.

    So it is a choice we make as a society, through the channels of venal and usually ignorant politicians and others, to deal with the problem in an entirely ineffectual and at times performative way.

    There is it seems a solution to the problem which benefits almost everyone, but do we want to use it?
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    I'm sure, in 2025, there's a substance you could add to the drugs that would really f*ck things up.

    Every time there's a seizure they should contaminate it and let it through.

    The drug barons and their lieutenants all 'sample the goods', as they have to, and so it goes down the line to the eventual addicts.

    Once the effects become known the drug barons will suspect their suppliers and the trust is broken.

    It would have a catastrophic effect on the chain of supply and the addicts would be frightened to take the drugs ...

    ... and, despite the horrendous effects from the added chemical, it's not like anyone can go to the police <laugh>
     
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    You'd be suprised<laugh>

     
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  18. Gordon Armstrong

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    I know virtually nothing about drugs, but some people say that cocaine and/or certain types of cannabis (are there 'types' ?) can be good for you, and they therefore encourage people that perhaps don't understand how bad and addictive it can become to use it.

    Illegal drugs are illegal for a reason, and those people that extol the virtues of drugs should be seen for what they are . . . . they are not clever like they probably think they are, they are irresponsible and 100% wrong.
     
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