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Post-season Review

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by willyfog, May 8, 2025 at 11:26 AM.

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What are the main reasons for our poor season

  1. Appointment of Walter

    63 vote(s)
    71.6%
  2. Signings made too late in the Summer window

    41 vote(s)
    46.6%
  3. Failure to bring in a striker

    52 vote(s)
    59.1%
  4. Not addressing full backs areas

    8 vote(s)
    9.1%
  5. Injuries

    48 vote(s)
    54.5%
  6. Appointment of Ruben Selles

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Lack of atmosphere at home

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. All of the above

    5 vote(s)
    5.7%
  9. All of the above (except Selles appointment)

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
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  1. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Not 606 post season review (takes 2 minutes as opposed to several days).

    Top 3 issues allowed.
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    You need an 'all of the above' option.
     
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  3. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Done
     
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  4. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Looking for the main ones though. Was the atmosphere at home a main reason for poor performance or just ‘didn’t really help’.
     
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  5. hullborn

    hullborn Well-Known Member

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    Striker and fullbacks for me. Could easily add Walter to the mix but its impossible to say what he could have done if we brought in decent fullbacks and a striker.

    Quality fullbacks are essential for the way most teams play and we've been seriously lacking in this area for too long, id go as far back as Robertson & Odubajo.

    This season the Giles transfer was a disaster and having Coyle and McLoughlin hasnt been great either. Not knocking their effort or workrate... but compared to what many championship teams have, we're well below par.
     
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  6. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Top 3 so far…

    Failure to bring in a striker
    Appointing Walter
    Injuries

    Top 2 are on the owner and recruitment team. Not much shade cast on Selles. We’ve saved them a job here.
     
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  7. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

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    Walters
    Strikers
    Injuries

    Defence since Selles arrived has been decent. 4th best in the League.
     
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  8. cheshireles

    cheshireles Well-Known Member

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    If Acun was an option, I suspect he'd be high on the list as a 'main reason' :1980_boogie_down:

    Shame really as the guy as an owner has his heart in exactly the right place, but execution of a plan or leaving football to his right hand men appears to not be his strong points.
     
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  9. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree.
     
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  10. Christophalophados

    Christophalophados Well-Known Member

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    In a vacuum, the appointment of Walter wasn't a problem. He joined the team, and tried to push them to play his preferred play style, but that only works when you have the players that can effectively play that, and we just didn't. Now, you can make the argument that we should have adjusted at that point, and I'd argue that after the dicking by Norwich, we did. The centre backs marauding into midfield stopped, and we set up more solidly.

    Unfortunately in doing so, we lost some urgency and created fewer chances, which coupled with the loss of Millar and Belloumi for the season meant we had absolutely no cutting edge, and picked up 2 points from 4 games against struggling Oxford, Luton, Portsmouth and Derby who all sat deep and easily absorbed everything we threw at them.

    Walter needed to go at that point otherwise we'd have sleepwalked into relegation, but I'm not without sympathy. He seemed just as frustrated as the fans when the fullbacks would turn and play the ball backwards rather than down the line, which let the defence get set when they could have been stretched.

    Maybe if Walter would have had longer with many of his players in pre-season, we'd have had more of a chance to bed in his ideas, but many of them arrived with the season already underway. Only Giles and Drameh were signed before the end of July, with the season kicking off on August the 10th. We opened the season with a midfield 5 of Simons, Slater and Mehlem, with Giles and Omur out wide, and 5 academy kids on the bench to fill the seats.

    The transfer delays meant that we were desperate to fill the squad, which resulted in us buying a mish-mash of players, even if they didn't fit the system. Bedia was a tall striker, but he wasn't good enough in the air to win many of the 30 crosses a game we were pumping in to the opposition box. Finley Burns was signed and barely played. Raccioppi was signed as competition for Pandur, then we also signed Rushworth.

    For me, the injuries were the biggest problem. With a pair of direct, attacking wingers playing all season, there is no way you'd convince me that we wouldn't finished 5 places higher.
     
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  11. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Walter was that he was also a bit of an arsehole. He couldn’t be arsed communicating with half the players, fans or media.

    So, regardless of his philosophy and player injuries, I think he was ultimately doomed to failure.
     
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  12. tigermaul

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    I'd like an 'all of the above EXCEPT appointing Ruben Selles' option, because it certainly isn't his fault. He was, and remains, a very good appointment.
     
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  13. Brucebones

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    Sacking Rosenior in the first place.
     
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  14. PLT

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    I think injuries are an easy excuse. Yes we were ravaged by injuries to our best players in one specific area of the pitch, but it wasn't great even before then, and every team gets injuries, and even with our best wingers missing we shouldn't have been worse than most of the dross in the bottom half of this division.

    I think the shambolic summer from sacking Rosenior onwards was the one key problem. And waiting those extra few weeks to sack Walter after he was clearly done and we were losing every game before it kicked off was another costly mistake.
     
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  15. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    Added :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  16. willyfog

    willyfog Well-Known Member

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    You can just vote ‘Walter Appointment’ for that one :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  17. Sir Cheshire Ben

    Sir Cheshire Ben Well-Known Member

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    Walter appointment. Nothing else.
     
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  18. Evington

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    Walter and late recruitment.

    ****ing stupid
     
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  19. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    It’s funny how Walter shoulders most the blame when he was only in charge for 40% of the season.
     
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  20. Christophalophados

    Christophalophados Well-Known Member

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    37% actually.

    The problem is, he only got 30.6% of our points across those games. 15pts at 0.88ppg, which compares to Selles' 1.26.

    I used to think you were always obviously trolling about Selles, but now either the troll has carried on for so long it looks like you've convinced yourself you mean it.

    We only had back to back defeats under Selles once in 27 games. We had 3 instances of consecutive defeats under Walter in 17 games (and one of those was 4 straight losses)

    Under Selles we never failed to score in consecutive games. Again, under Walter, we did this 3 times.

    Walter was fired on a winless streak of 9. Selles never went more than 3 matches without a win.

    Walter's record was 3/6/9 - Selles record was 9/8/10.
     
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