Off Topic Lord Mayor

We really didn't and still haven't. We've been let down so badly. It's part and parcel of the reaction we are seeing today and that we hopefully continue to see going forward now.

 

I guess whether it is a detriment is subjective, but your right movement was inevitable.

 

That was it

Cheap food

 

we won't be getting that anytime soon after Starmer ****ed off the farmers

 

Have you ever been to Burnley, other than to watch City, or Blackburn....

 

So when you voted for Brexit what did you think you were voting for ?

 

The Brexit vote was
“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
1) Remain a member of the European Union
2) Leave the European Union”

More people voted to leave…so we left.

That was Brexit and it was delivered.

Maybe not how you’d have like it to be, and I tend to agree lots of others wanted it delivered differently and are now reacting, but you did get the Brexit that the referendum question decided you should get…we left

 

We won’t get it for loads of reasons

I could never get my head round how we were supposed to get it, but tbh I maybe missed the explanation

 

I do think voting should be mandatory unless you apply not to and are assessed as not having to.

Loads of problems with it of course, but turnouts are so low it’s ridiculous.

Mind you I also think there should be proportional voting too

 

It was based on a bad understanding of EU regulations and economics that both Gove and Johnson repeated often. They both claimed that they would negotiate independently with Italy, for example, to buy mozzarella, not realising (or being dishonest) that these negotiations would be held with the EU as a whole and that members of the bloc weren't allowed to negotiate independently. Also, both claimed that sterling would appreciate, making purchases from the EU cheaper. The opposite happened.

 

They knew they couldn’t negotiate with separate countries

I’ve met Gove one to one for a decent length meeting. He’s a very bright bloke, who is bang on with the important details (and actually quite impressive in that environment)

 

Willing to work for less and think themselfs rich. Willing to do seasonal work or zero hour contract stuff. Willing to live in HMO, shack up with mates or live on site. Then there are those who don't work, can they claim benefits? begging and stealing.
Could also go on about the brain drain from those poorer countries, all well and could not bothering to train our own doctors and nurses when we can just import them from Poland or Romania but who's doing the doctoring and nursing back there?

 

The demise of the old guard began with Blair making labour pseudo Tories , the Iran WMD etc
Then came the Tories and Cameron who with his mates inc some Labour MP’s shafted us all while making tons of money for themselves whilst cutting everything .
After that Boris appeared and during Covid , Gove , Hancock etc all pigged out in the trough of opportunity to get mates to ‘supply’ goods for the epidemic , that also inc that Bra designer Mone and her horrible husband .
So we get Starmer who like the Germans have just done is determined to wipe any public outcry out with laws that in the past would never have been dared .
If Reform want to get entrenched I suggest they re visit the hate crime , DEI stuff , Pre sentencing matter and adjust . Forget blasphemy laws for ever , do not entertain courts that are not legitimate ones based on English law .
If we get more sensible democratic free speech to return then those making it happen will please an awful lot of people .
Oh wait it’s almost Trump style , before someone quotes it.

 

You sound like Corbyn

(I agree with a lot of what you say btw)

 

I do hope Luke Campbell is a successful Mayor for our area.

He’s said that he’ll put our area before national party politics which on some things will be inportant.

Tbf Andy Burnham says the same and does do that. He’s a Labour Mayor but doesn’t toe the Labour line

Good luck to him

 

Jeremy if you don't mind.

 

It's a shame the more intellectual politicians like Gove and Badenoch don't have more of a common appeal in this country.

 

JC

 

I was really surprised by Gove.
He came across far better in person than on TV etc.
I don’t know much about Badenoch.
I suppose it’s their policies that aren’t appealing to lots though regardless of how intellectual they are?

 

At least the elections and this thread have been a nice, welcome distraction over the past couple of days from the football!
In my case, they've lifted my mood no end
Back to the serious stuff tomorrow.