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JHT SACKED

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  1. 1950canary

    1950canary Well-Known Member

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    So the business plan is to agree a 3 season transition period of playing different style, different management team and bringing through younger players. After 6 months you change your mind, want immediate success and sack the new management for not achieving it. You bring in a new management team, give them the same immediate success target and sack them if they don't succeed and start the cycle all over again. If I was in my previous job I would wind the Company up as the business plan is a one way ticket to disaster.
     
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  2. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    I think the idea of a head coach is that actually you don’t do that - you simply change the head coach personality, not the entire management team
     
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    If, as is generally thought, the players were against JHT you have to ask why. The players were never overtly against Wagner or Smith.
     
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  4. RiverEndRick

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    I see the ownership group as the majority on the Board of Directors and Knapper as the CEO reporting to that board. Like any CEO, he is expected to identify problems, report them to the board and then deal with them to maximise productivity. Knapper identified the problem and is now resolving it. The direction is the same, the aims and objectives are the same but two personnel have changed. Wilshere, or anybody else considered as a replacement, will prioritise those aims and objectives and work hard with Knapper and the players to achieve them. It isn't a change in management, it's a change of two personnel in that management team. As Rob says, that's the reason we have a Sporting Director, a Technical Director (Neil Adams) and all of the others in the management team. Our days of having a football manager are long gone.
     
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  5. 1950canary

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    The composition of the Management Team is irrelevant to what I am saying. Football Clubs are a business and most of them are insolvent on a day to day basis relying in the main on funds by the owners covered by the Clubs assets - Carrow Road, Colney etc. All businesses should have a business plan to achieve their aims - in this case promotion - and in my view the apparent business plan is completely flawed, has been tried and failed by many other Clubs and could - I repeat could - lead to the owner loosing interest and selling the Club to the highest bidder or recovering the losses by selling assets. It has happened before and will undoubtedly happen again. As you said our fate is no longer in the hands of Delia and Michael but in the hands of a hard headed American Businessman and I don't like the look of it.
     
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    I'm not clear what you mean by the 'business plan', 1950. I see Attanasio in light of what he has done with the Brewers in Milwaukee and that doesn't seem to be that of a "hard headed American Businessman". He has been very respectful of Delia and Michael, who had put over £11m into the club but could go no further. This transfer window will tell us more.

    As for the new HC I'm more optimistic that more can be accomplished in the second year of 'transition'. JHT laid the groundwork for the planned change but then rather lost his way in the final third of the season. The new coach will take over with new players to take us further, hopefully with a better balance between attack and defence within the possession based style. Wilshere made a good start on that at Boro, but whether it's him or someone else, there's much to look forward to, IMO.
     
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  7. 1950canary

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    The Brewers is a franchise covering a lot more than just 'the Club' It makes an overall profit and that is what makes the owner happy. The business plan, as such, for NCFC appears to be top 6 and promotion in a short period of time. If we don't get it next season what then? Another change of HC? And the season after? How long before the Owner says 'enough of my money has been spent and I want out' Then what? He will want all of his money back and will get it as I set out. Companies go bust - owners don't - cue Donald Trump and Philip Green!! American businessmen make money out of our game - Glazers are the extreme example - and if they can't make a profit they claw back what they have spent and get out.
     
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  8. RiverEndRick

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    As I understand it, the club's business plan is to recruit young players and develop them as a source of money (like Sara, Rowe, Idah and Kamara) and use that money to buy new young players on lower salaries while still being competitive for the playoffs. The balancing act lies in deciding which players we need and which we can sell.
     
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    A good aspiration as followed by most Clubs with Academies but not a business plan. Lets leave it there and see how things develop.
     
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    Sounds like JHT believes the goalposts were move on him, or at the very least the objective of this season wasn’t clearly communicated:
     
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    Watch the Pink'un interview with Glen Riddersholm, recorded during the summer training camp in Bavaria. I cannot recall any communication from the club prior to ZW's recent programme notes, indicating that Riddersholm's understanding of what he and Thorup had signed up for was inaccurate.
     
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    Perhaps that's what was needed to convince Wilshere to come. I'd guess that Pelach had similar terms in his contract.
     
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    Just had a message and link to an article stating that the Tom Cleverly rumour is just that. He is staying at Watford.
     
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    Thank god for that, he’s not v popular with their fans I don’t think and seems a bit of a cry baby, remember the whole Marcondes dark arts thing and he accused Chrisene of play acting to get Dennis sent off in challenges that we now know put him out for the rest of the season
     
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    JHT yet again suggests that the goal posts were moved for him during the season:

    "It has been special to say goodbye to the Danes. We can start with Oscar Schwartau, who we took over because we thought he would be a perfect match for our project. A player who would not be among the best in the league in his first season, but had the potential to be.

    "Anis Slimane was a bit of the same case. He needed a chance to get back up a bit in a league he knew," Thorup said.

    "One of the hardest things has actually been that the story we have told some of the Danes and also the others about the club's project and ambitions has changed along the way. I have spoken to all the Danish players afterwards.

    "Many from the playing squad have reached out to say thank you for the cooperation, but also to say they were a little surprised. I can also say that I am surprised myself, but I could see it was coming. There were fewer meetings about what next season should look like."

    Thorup was dismissed alongside assistant Glen Riddersholm last month with Jack Wilshere taking over on an interim basis as the search for his permanent successor continues.

    The Dane confirmed that he has now spoken to Wilshere, who formed part of his backroom team at Carrow Road, and feels the former Arsenal and England midfielder would have wanted his apprenticeship to continue for a little longer before being thrust into the spotlight.

    “Sometimes it can seem tough from the outside when someone from the staff takes over. But the fact is that when we brought Jack in, he was already clear in his mind that his next job would be as head coach," Thorup told Danish outlet Bold.

    "We made a plan for that, and it probably went like Glen Riddersholm and I should have been there for a couple more years, and then maybe he could take over. I also think Jack would have liked it to take a little longer.

    "I have never at any time felt that he has not supported us, or worked for us. I have also spoken to him after I stopped at Norwich."
     
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  19. SuffolkCanary

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    Interesting that he makes a clear point about talking to the Danes, does that suggest that he had a good relationship with them but not the wider squad down to cultural differences?
     
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    Exactly my thoughts Suffolk. Almost as if he created two teams in the dressing room.
     
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