Okay, I get it. it's a bad idea. Just don't blame me when some 6'4" tranny rocks up and whips out her nob next to you in the urinals.
Lol. I have seen women come in mens toilets several times, especially if it's somwhere where there is a long queue for the womens. I got no problem with that either, nor visa versa. I think it just gets my goat when people try to change social norms - we see how trans have used it to their advantage in sport, not saying all, some. Women generally don't feel safe these days in certain places and at certain times, and I just feel lets alleviate these anxieties...I'm still old school, a mans job is to protect a woman, and I can't feel that I'm doing that if I agree to this. And I agree with what's been said, they will still do it anyway, but at least the rules are clearer for that time when a woman might need a mans help, and it gives you that legal right to step in and say oi **** off, which could have been a grey area otherwise.
Trans women i.e. men in women's sport comes down to the fact that there isn't a trans category. You could say that they should compete with men, seeing as that's their biological make up. Or you could make a trans category. The same with the toilets and changing rooms (and I know we've been over it) but unisex toilets etc, immediately removes the problem of trans men in women's spaces. For me it's about making pragmatic changes to remove a problem, rather than everybody arguing over where people should take a dump. Personally I would say that women probably feel more threatened by predatory men, rather than transsexuals. And that is a wider societal problem with misogyny and the bullshit we see on social media with all of this Alpha male and Incel ****e.
The toilets I agree could be partly addressed by communal ones ... but there will still be many women who would prefer women only ones, understandably... First swimming baths I went to as a lad had single cubicle changing all around the poolside... but with male and female showers at opposite ends - it's modern changing areas that present the biggest issue here ... and I can fully understand why women wouldn't want to change with a biologically born male ... nudists aside ... Your last point's a bit daft - yes predatory men are more of a concern - but nobody has suggested that predatory men should be allowed to share female changing rooms as a matter of societal course The obvious (at least to me) problem for transsexuals is that, understandably, they don't wish to be singularly identified as trans publicly - but the reality is that the majority (speaking only from my own experiences of meeting some in real life) do visibly stand out as being trans - and surely it would be better to have a third 'facility' rather than having these individuals being made to feel uncomfortable / ostracised in female changing rooms by concerned / angry women?
Well that, of course is not what I mean lol. I'm saying in general, that I would imagine that women feel more threatened by predatory hetrosexual men, than they do transsexual men. But that aside, shared spaces generally work. The main pool at my leisure centre has one big communal changing area with individual cubicles. And a shower pool side that you use before you get in and when you get out. I think that's the solution, to just have shared spaces (with obvious privacy) Or you could have a third option which is unisex, alongside male and female. But then you're asking establishments to provide 4 different sets of toilets. Male, Female, unisex and Disabled and unless it was written into law like the DDA, then it's going to cost businesses too much to adapt.
Really don’t like the idea of unisex changing rooms tbh. Women should be entitled to proper privacy away from men when getting dressed.
Why do we need the 3rd option of a trans toilet? The ruling from the Supreme Court is clear. If you were born a man you will need to piss in the blokes toilets like everyone else that was born a man. I don’t mind a bloke in a dress and wig using the same bogs as me. It’s him that’s going to look and feel stupid. Probably a bit lightheaded as well when I smash him in the back of the head on the way out.
isn't the whole transexual case being that people who just say i'm a woman but is actually a bald hairy male is afforded all the rights of being a woman before it was ruled at the supreme court?
Well we don’t. That’s the point I’m making. Just have more unisex toilets. Then blokes who have transitioned or wanna wear a wig and make up won’t get physically assaulted by the likes of you in the men’s bogs.
The problem is with unisex changing rooms you leave women vulnerable when they are on their own. Unisex is only useful during school holidays when all the family are together, otherwise they will be used mainly by adults which is ok if it is couples, but you've only got to read the fitness thread on here, it's mainly single people doing it on their own, when they do keep fit, which swimming is a part of. For someone that has worked in a hospital Piskie you are not very aware of vulneralbilities of people and what deems a safe space. It was like the bright idea of mixed ward hospitals, women don't feel comfortable with it, you are thinking like a man not in the mind of a woman, you are lacking that empathy again... https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Single-sex-services-30-minute-read.pdf Around 10 times as many UK women (5,559) as men (554) responded to the survey to say that single-sex services are important to them. (This analysis excludes the few respondents who were outside the UK or said single-sex services were not important to them.) The most common reasons for valuing single-sex services were everyday privacy and dignity: ● I want to be able to change, shower and use the toilet in privacy, away from members of the opposite sex (98%) ● I want the girls in my family to be able to wash and change with privacy (98%) ● If I or a member of my family needed intimate personal care it would be important that we could specify the sex of our caregivers (95%)
Fair enough mate. I'm going to be honest, I do find your responses somewhat staggering, maybe I'm the one out of touch...but think of this for a moment, your response the other day about men with tiny cocks, I know it was a joke, but would I trust your male mind in a unisex changing room, not a ****ing chance.
I think if I was trans I’d just use the disabled bog At least if you offend anybody in there they won’t be able to chase you down and batter you like Saf
I remember seeing a note on a disabled toilet once in a public place and it said something like, not all disabilities are obvious - very true that.
