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It feels like the players possibly want promotion too much and it could be hindering the free flowing play we saw earlier in the season. Like they are wound a little too tight. They might see themselves as a very talented and tight-knit squad and the best way to keep it together is to go up. Hopefully RLB can find the magic formula and get us clicking again.

 

Out of interest, why don't you want us to go up this year? It would undoubtedly be better for the club's long term future so is it just a case of not wanting to watch us lose most weeks? Would you rather we just stop in the Championship forever more and hover between midtable and the playoffs? No doubt there'd be a few decent days out and we'd win more than we'd lose which would be nice but it would all feel a bit hollow for me, personally...

 

So why have we gone

Why take on investors? Our owner is a billionaire.

 

Inevitably what determines the source of the funding is its' cost. If KLD has his capital invested somewhere giving a return of x% pa,why would he use it to invest in the club, when he can raise the funds elsewhere at a cost of x-% pa. Furthermore,an outside investor may only be interested in capital growth,rather than income,which,when you look at KLD's investment growth since he bought the club,is a definate attraction. We have a couple of players alone who would sell for as much as his initial investment in the club,without even thinking about the financial reward promotion would bring.

 

It's the usual. They rarely risk their own capital. It's always the same. We are still waiting those loans/investments to be turned into equity ain't we ? Don't think that's happened yet and it was said an age ago.

That said, I am happy with how we are doing things.

 

Club wealth and owner wealth are two seperate entities.

KLDs money is his, not the clubs.

 

I love watching championship football and don’t like watching premiership football, can’t really put it much simpler than that really.

 

Out of interest, what enjoyment do you get out of winning 4 games and drawing 3 out of 38 matches, watching the team get booed off every week, loosing your best players when we get relegated as they are to embarrassed
to play for your club and being left with a
s hit team that could probably get relegated to league one?

 

If we don’t go up we’re going to lose our better players though. We can’t stay in the championship and expect to keep improving because at the end of the day players who are decent don’t stay in this division for long. If it’s a case of wanting to see us win all the time why don’t we just drop down to league 1 and win most weeks then throw the last few games to make sure we stay there every season? Surely as a fan you want to watch us playing at the highest level? It’ll be hard at first and we’ll likely get tanned most weeks but getting that PL money will make us a better team when we likely drop back to the championship and then go back up stronger the next time.

 

Realistically we need to go up and bounce around abit to eventually compete, short term suffering for long term success, I won’t be gutted if we don’t go up this year I think we’ll get in good money and be in a good place to go again but really we need to be in the prem or eventually the gaps even bigger and you end up stagnant in the championship

 

I understand this point of view,but I must caveat by saying I enjoy watching us play exciting,attacking,goal-scoring football,and am horribly reluctant to going back to watching us getting tanked week in and week out. I never go to see the opposition and all their star players....I couldn't care less about them...it's what we're doing that counts.
So, I'm very happy to go up,if I think we can make a fist of it and compete.If we can't,for whatever reason,I'd rather another season in Div 2 and strengthen from there. I must say,that if we are to be promoted,I would much rather see us clear at the top of this division,clearly better than everyone else,which we obviously aren't.
That's a worry.

 

Well there’s some things you seem to have a memory block with, did we not have all these millions of pounds when we were relegated to the championship and then to league one, so can you enlighten me what good all that money did us, you also seem to forget the football in league one is dogs-hit the Championship isn’t it’s brilliant. I love the Championship but I’m also quite happy to go to the Premiership when we have a team that stands a chance like the Reid team.
This team will get slaughtered weekly and then this forum would be stuck with you and half a dozen others whining 24/7 to the point most decent lads will leave. This team is not going to improve much as KLD is not going to spend his own money ( and I don’t blame him ) so you can probably expect a grim season ahead that won’t be a tenth as enjoyable as another season in the Championship.

 

regarding your top point, it’s changed substantially since we were last relegated as new TV deals kicked in.

Also if you remember, the parachute payments we should have had were first used by Short to service debt and then used by Donald to buy the club, so the club never saw them.

This time round we’d get a lot more money to be used in the right way.

 

There's been periods when we were better than we are now.

When Enzo arrived, when Jobe was playing, before key injuries etc ...

... we're coming back round to that now at the right time for the playoffs.

As for a possible PL season it's impossible to know what might happen.

Who would we sign/sell/loan, would we get fixtures that gave us a good start, would we keep clear of injuries, etc.

As things stand I'd say Sunderland can greatly improve with the squad we have as they're all gaining experience and learning on the job.

What will be will be, I don't worry about any of it.

 

You’re also forgetting last season… there’s no guarantee we get better. We don’t go up we lose our best players and our manager eventually, then we have the continual task of replacing what was our best with players who are better - how do you attract better players when you’re in the 2nd tier massively limited to what you can spend?

@Brainy Dose i agree on the sentiment I’d rather see us wallop the league and go up but look at Ipswich. They were incredible last season and they’re going straight back down. The gap is so great I just think it’s an impossible task to build a team at this level that will survive without investing massively.

 

@Brainy Dose i agree on the sentiment I’d rather see us wallop the league and go up but look at Ipswich. They were incredible last season and they’re going straight back down. The gap is so great I just think it’s an impossible task to build a team at this level that will survive without investing massively.[/QUOTE]
This paragraph answers just about everything i said.
We will have to agree to differ mate.

 

This paragraph answers just about everything i said.
We will have to agree to differ mate.[/QUOTE]

It doesn’t though because you said you’d rather us go to the PL when we stand a chance like we did under Reid. Those days are long gone lol- hence Ipswich and Leicester.

 

It doesn’t though because you said you’d rather us go to the PL when we stand a chance like we did under Reid. Those days are long gone lol- hence weeIpswich and Leicester.[/QUOTE]
But Leicester and Ipswich were miles ahead of us and they had the same money as we are going to get, so you are looking forward to getting battered every week just to say you were in tc premiership and then getting relegated.
Good luck to you mate, like you said earlier I would rather us win loads of matches in league one than watch that crap.

 

You, and a few others, seem to have every possible answer as to how/why/when things will/may go wrong …

… so you must have the answer on how to avoid all these catastrophes.

Do us a favour and fill us in eh.

 

What catastrophe? I don’t have the answers, I’m just applying common logic based on what we see season after season. Of course we’d all love to get promoted, sign nobody and finish mid table in the PL but come back down to planet earth it’s not happening. Anyone thinking we can assemble a squad in the championship that can go up and compete in a league filled with £300m+ squads at the very minimum, without spending massively, is living in cuckoo land. Wolves are ****e and they’ve got 3 Brazilian internationals starting every week. How many of our starting Xl would get into their team? Without bothering to even look I’d say 0, or 1 at a push. We would not get near them, as proven against Newcastle last season. They absolutely took the piss out of us it was like watching a training match. As stated above, Ipswich were better than we are now and have spent about £130m just to come back down.