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  1. Bigal2

    Bigal2 Well-Known Member

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    For me the biggest single mistake was not shipping out Al Hamedi on loan at the start of the Season and bringing in an experienced lump like Moore.
     
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  2. Roystonblue

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    I wonder if Chelsea get Delap, we could ask for cash + Dewsbury Hall. Think he would do a great job in CM
     
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    I feel Al Hamidi has been harshly criticised this season but agree with your point that it was a mistake not to bring in another striker. It would've been interesting to see and I do wonder whether if we did whether Delap would've been used as a main striker or we may have seen him in some of the other forwards positions more often.

    For me the GK was a big mistake, bringing in new players too quickly and dropping players who were in good form and taking too much of a risk on our CM with loans (1 injury prone midfielder and Kalvin Phillips) and not investing in that area.
     
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  4. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    If £40m is the release clause then we can still command more than that if clubs bid against each other and if they don’t then it’s a fair price. We’ve done well out of that transfer in any scenario.
     
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  5. ristac

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    No you can’t

    They can all bid £40m and the player decides, someone can bid £40m and another £50m the release clause has been activated so the £40m can’t be turned down

    Your entire window was a mistake, I called it a scattergun approach and was accused of jealousy. You are not going to be able to move anyone on either, no PL team will want any of them and you paid top price, championship teams can’t afford them and their value will decrease

    Still think you’ll have the best team in the championship though so should be top two
     
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  6. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    ristac you’ve had eyes on the terms of the contract have you? No-one else has, it’s speculation.
     
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  7. ristac

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    I replied to your comment, you said if he has one, then others can still start a bidding war, that’s garbage. If he has one he can choose where to go by anyone offering that amount

    On another note, you do realise it’s his agent leaking the clause don’t you
     
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  8. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    You can keep repeating it as much as you like, it makes it no more or less true than the first time you said it.
     
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  9. ristac

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    Let’s make it simple to understand for you. Replying to this comment the answer is NO you can’t
     
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  10. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    Alright then let’s play go round in circles. The Mirror says a bidding war makes a figure of £60m likely. By your measure it’s in the papers so that MUST be true, right?
     
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  11. ristac

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    Do you just feel silly that I’ve pointed out your error. I don’t read the red tops, I am not replying to anything they print, I’m replying to your statement.

    Because you want to deflect from your incorrect statement you are seeking an argument and to make this something different.
     
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  12. Southcoastoldgaffer

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    None of us know the fine details of any contract and most fans spend hours crazily speculating on who's in, out and their hand me down negotiating value.
     
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  13. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    You sound like the Trump administration. Stating something ignorant with conviction repeatedly doesn’t make it a fact.
     
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  14. Nuggets

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    The £40 million buyback clause is only for Manchester City, apparently. So in theory, we could drum up a bidding war between Chelsea and Manchester United.

    Why I don't think it'll go that much higher is Man City will probably pounce at the £40 million fee if the figure climbs north of £60 million. That way they can get better value for him with a subsequent move - similar to what Villa did with Philogene. That's assuming Delap chooses Man City - where he'll be a bench option behind Haaland - rather than a likely starter for Man United and Chelsea.
     
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    CAA Stellar have released details of Delaps contract, £40m release clause fee with 20% sell on clause going to City so you’ll pocket £32m

    CAA Stellar have already been in contact with several PL clubs


    It’s the relegation release fee clause that he allegedly has, City don’t need him back, they’ll pocket the £12m instead unless you stay up then you can start a biding war or keep him.

    Delap has allegedly told his agent he doesn't want to be sitting on another teams bench all season, which makes a move to Man Utd less likely in my opinion
     
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  16. Nuggets

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    Al-Hamadi has looked notably out of his depth whenever he's stepped on a Premier League pitch this season, in my opinion. Hardly unique to the team this season, but I can't recall him turning a game to our advantage off the bench. Even against tired Premier League defences, he was nullified. But I get the criticism is harsh, as he wasn't signed to be a Premier League player and hasn't played much in the grand scheme of things. The club probably hoped he wouldn't be needed with Delap and Hirst ahead of him, but they knew Hirst's injury record. It was a bit of a gamble not signing another centre-forward. Had Hirst been fit over the mid-season run of defeats against the likes of Palace and Forest - rather than playing a clearly fatigued Delap week-in, week-out as Al-Hamadi wasn't up to scratch - I'm confident we'd have had a few more points on the board. As Big Al says, loaning him out at the start of the season and bringing in a more capable, experienced centre-forward would've been the best move.

    Benefit of hindsight and all that - but I think if the club could rewind to the summer, they'd have also brought in a different goalkeeper. I don't think we had the scouting network established, but for the wider squad we probably would've identified and signed more players like Cajuste (under-rated, technically capable, top division experience) rather than Phillips (too expensive, arguably on the decline).
     
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    I agree certainly in a couple of games he looked out of his depth which honestly he probably was (and his penalty misses haven't helped) but we've been told he played part of the season with an injury and I feel that was certainly noticeable in a couple of games where he was no where near as terrier like as he normally is. Also not many players have come on and changed the game for us this season usually when momentum for us had gone, I can't really think of times when a substitute has helped to change it this season. I thought in a few games he came on and did okay and after Delap had run himself into the ground came on and added some energy but also got us higher up the pitch creating space for others behind him, like Hirst, Al Hamidi plays on the last shoulder more than Delap. I feel his lack of effective performance this season (like many often with a far higher price tag) has clouded people's judgement of him and actually how good he looked in games for us last season when he scored some crucial goals and did along with other subs change the momentum for us. As I said I agree we shouldn't he relying on him and needed another striker but I felt the criticism was harsh in the context of where we are as a team and where he has been in terms of his development.
     
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    And Manchester City still get a 20% cut? Ouch. Still, it’s a fair chunk of change in the Championship and we’ve essentially doubled our money (assuming he hasn’t hit any £5m add ons which hopefully only got activated with us avoiding relegation).

    I guess none of us really thought he’d score as many goals as he has. Shame though, as it’s massively undervalued in this market.
     
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  20. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    It’s every bit as naive and daft as letting Hladky leave and sending out Marcus Harness and Harry Clarke at the same time as signing garbage. A rush of blood in all the excitement last summer must’ve clouded the judgement.
     
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