It's a slight risk, and Cooper is the safer choice, but I think Rohl's ceiling of potential is a whole lot higher. He also does this odd thing of adapting his tactics, rather than stubbornly sticking with a "philosophy". I know, it'll never catch on...
If we manage to get promoted next season, we have to roll (Rohl?) the dice a little bit in order to somehow have a chance of staying up in the PL. We need to maximise any possible advantage. Having a talented young manager is one way of doing that, which is what puts him above the tried-and-tested likes of Cooper. But yeah, of course it's also a risk on the flip side.
Yeah I'd be happy with Rohl but as I said to you yesterday he's the only up and coming manager I'd want to take a punt on. If we don't get him I'd like someone who's achieved promotion before. Basically him and Cooper are by far the best options for me.
I think it’s a bit of a turning point for the club, and I hope Spors and the Board both see that and do something about it. From the Bet365 list, there are only a few I’d like to think are being remotely considered. I voted with nostalgia and my heart and went for Rohl, bit like others, am slightly worried we’ll gamble on him big and end up in a mess again in 6 months. We have been very good at ballsing up easy ish decisions; we have to think as wannabe Premier League club, not as a club with restricted finances trying to do something sneaky and clever and hope it beats fruit and that no one else is thinking what we are. We have to employ a manager that is going to make the players, whoever they may be, better than they are when they arrive-otherwise, let’s shut up shop now as we’ll be on the 4th iteration of Martin very quickly. I’d argue, we also need a manager that gets the challenge; young players are going to be an absolute staple of this club whatever level we’re playing at, we need to identify experienced players that will fit in well and we need someone with experience of the top leagues and how they best work. For me, despite the criticism that will come, it has to be Southgate as first choice. Very good coach that can improve players, knows young players and how they can transition to first team, extensive knowledge of the top leagues and players. And another big plus, is his experience of academies and what it takes to create the grass roots of a footballer. The big minus is the lack of experience in terms of managing in the leagues and there’s nothing anyone can do about that. There’s also the moaners about being too defensive, blah, blah…. Would make a nice change for us atm..!! Can’t remember who posted it, but they’re right about maybe needing a different manager from one league to the next; if successful in the Champ, I’d argue Southgate is one of the few that could transition. Happy to be shot down but think we’re at such a pivotal moment for SR and the club that radical thinking is needed.
I just want a manager who will invest in big, strong, powerful and quick players who can also play a bit. I’m fed up with players that are so one paced they would find it difficult to get away from me, in the race for an all you can eat buffet, and players who are so lacking in upper body strength that they are easily knocked off the ball. And I want a couple of gnarly bastards who would pick a fight with a teammate who isn’t doing his job well enough.
I know he only recently signed a three year deal at Boro, but I'd like us to make an approach for Carrick.
Well Martin said the main thing he would do differently is push for more physical players when recruiting after promotion. As stubborn as he was, at least he finally saw sense in that regard.
Cooper for me. Think he’s a man that can get you promoted and can keep you up. We don’t need revolution in the PL, we need pragmatism. If that’s boring football and scrapping for draws to get you by in that first season in the PL then fine. You then build from there with someone with a higher ceiling, imo.
Yeah this is the only realistic approach I think. It’s all a punt and a gamble and someone like Rohl could get us up and take the PL by storm and getting us playing well. The odds of either of those happening (promotion and keeping us up) are far higher than Cooper doing either of them. The blueprint has to be to come up, stay up and solidify for a season or two before taking risks. I personally hate the idea as finishing 10th-17th every year in the PL is utterly pointless and soul destroying more than relegation and a promotion push. But from the clubs perspective that is what we absolutely should be trying to achieve then re-assess if we ever get there.
Only playing Devils Advocate but he’s a lot different as a manger now; I’d argue that he’s no more or less risky than Rohl, Rosenior or anyone on that list. I think the experience outside of managing at club level is the football equivalent of gold dust too. We plucked Ralph from relative obscurity and let him write a manual to coach from U10s level upwards within 18 months but at the other end of the spectrum, we let Martin get pally with players to the severe detriment of the money spent on them as a club. Can’t see it see it any more or less risky than anyone on that list; people that say Benitez want the manager that was successful a looong time ago in the PL, people who want Rosenior want the manager that no one else in the Champ or EPL would touch after Hull, people are genuinely talking about Martin having a second chance…??!!… but Southgate is a flat no.?? Like I said…. He’d be my choice and everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but just want a bit of healthy debate….
Flat no from me. He's tactically terrible, has no in-game management prowess, his football is dull and he's got a track record as an awful club level manager. Nice bloke though.
I don't think anybody is seriously wanting Martin back tbh. I only included him as a joke. You don't think someone like Cooper with a track record of promotion and survival is less of a gamble than somebody with no success at club level? Cooper is probably the 'safest' appointment we could go for. Agree the others all have an element of risk about them but they've all shown something in domestic football that Southgate hasn't. Managing at club and international level is a completely different job requiring a completely different skill set. Just don't see that Southgate has the attributes to succeed at club level personally.
Cooper has the potential and possibly the only other one on the list I’d consider, I think he’s been a bit unlucky at the clubs that he’s been to that they’ve got rid too soon or when there were other things at play. Arguably he need another club who are equally invested in him as he is in them. I agree with Southgate about the lack of experience but I think a lot of people will jump on the anti bandwagon because of the way we exited tournaments. Has he been pants, yes, is he capable of change, yes, can he make players better, I’d argue yes. I’m not an SR hater out and out like some others, but I wonder whether they’ve got it in them to think outside the box and be bold with the appointment. Id love to see a Cooper appointment work, but I’m always a bit wary of managers like him that come in with a sign round their neck that says “replace within 12-18 months”.
Ike Ugbo was on loan at Wednesday last season and scored 8 in 17. So it's not a surprise they signed him on a permanent, and I bet the fans weren't complaining at teh time. Why he's been garbage this season is anyone's guess. The rest of their signings were all freebies. If the criticism was of his actual coaching style, then fair enough, but you can't really blame a manager for signing crap players when there is no money available.
My views on this haven't changed: Rosenior is easily my no.1 choice. But I don't see him leaving Strasbourg to join us. Farke is my 2nd choice. But his availability requires Leeds to once again miss out on the top two and lose the play-offs. Cooper is my 3rd choice. And we could even put him in place for the final couple of games of the season. After that I have Carrick as my 4th choice. Rohl as my 5th choice. Mowbray as my 6th choice. I continue to struggle to decide how I would feel about Dyche. I wouldn't go anywhere near Gerrard.
I believe I'm right in saying that the PSR rules were introduced as from 2015-16. That means this season will be the 28th, 29th and 30th relegations of the PSR era. Newcastle and Villa were both relegated in 2015-16, but I think it's difficult to attribute that to PSR at such an early stage of its life. Across all subsequent seasons though, only two of the current top 17 have ever been relegated - Fulham and Bmouth. Every other relegated since after 2015-16 is either currently in the EFL or, heading back to the EFL. And even Fulham have only managed to stay in the PL at their third attempt (which is so often overlooked). So yes, absolutely there is a gap between those 17 and the rest. And given how PSR hampers newly promoted sides, due to its unfairly applying a lower loss threshold, I think PSR has to be a big reason for that.
