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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Jan 15, 2025.

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Should we sack Ange now?

Poll closed Tuesday at 4:35 PM.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Bournemouth have a pretty hefty injury list, yet I don't see many think pieces about Iraola's style being at fault

    Don't recall many about Eddie Howe's when Newcastle plummeted down the table like a stone due to injuries, either...
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think in Iraola’s case, part of the reason why there’s no/ little criticism is that he’s still getting Bournemouth well above expectations even with a mass injuries and they’re still playing good football too. They’ve hit a bit of rocky form the last few weeks but I don’t think anyone would’ve predicted them to be 9th so far this season and still within reach of European spots.
     
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  3. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Possibly but those teams are mainly still in a decent league position. Spurs finished 5th last season and are currently 16th.
     
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  4. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea but I do blame Ange for rushing Romero and VdV back so quickly only for both of them to get injured again.

    I also blame Ange for his system relying on VdV’s sprints when our back line is exposed and he’s susceptible to hamstring injuries.
     
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  5. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    The amount of muscle injuries this season to key players is definitely down to the style of play. The manager either needs to change that or have 4 quality players for each position (not realistic)
     
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  6. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    Number of injuries isn’t the way to look at it though. Number of games missed through injury is a better measure of the level of disruption before you account for factors such as squad depth, timing of injuries etc.

    A 3 month hamstring injury is more impactful than a 2 week knock. That injury happening in November/December when you’re playing 2/3 games a week constantly is way more impactful than it happening in August when you’re playing once a week. It’s about the overload it creates on the rest of the squad just as much as the impact of missing a particular player. Exhausted players are more liable to get injured themselves and make more mistakes in games.
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    That’s pretty much exactly what I said. He needs a squad of 22 players where both XIs are equal in quality for his style to ever really be sustainable in the Prem. Name a single club in world football with 22 equal calibre players <laugh>
     
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  8. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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  9. Left on the Shelf

    Left on the Shelf Well-Known Member

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    And these stats also cannot (on their own) establish the 'value' of the injured player. 3 months loss of Timo probably equates to 1 game of VdV....<laugh>
     
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  10. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    They are statistics...and must be worshipped and obeyed.
     
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  11. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Ange has had a good day.
    Southampton give a lot of managers a reprieve
     
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  12. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    PowerSpurs - here’s some data. I hope you are doing your statistical analysis!
     
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  13. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I think the VAR delays are responsible a lot of the muscle injuries that happened to teams over the winter period
     
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  14. PleaseNotPoll

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    I was rather worried by the inactivity of our players during that ludicrously long break.
     
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  15. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I've done mine and you have posted nothing new to me. The calculation is how many points the injuries have cost us. I estimate 12 to 20. I couldn't care less how much they have cost anyone else.
     
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  16. PowerSpurs

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    Said nobody ever...but I would recommend an old book called 'How to Lie with Statistics' which actually tells you how to use statistics properly.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the stats support your statement but you say it is definitely true so please show your workings. I am happy that 95% confidence is equivalent to definitely but most would require 99%.
     
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  18. PowerSpurs

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    As I posted earlier, the absence of Gabriel by himself costs Arsenal 0.6 points per game but people seem to find it odd that 6 to 12 players being missing might cost us about the same.
     
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  19. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    The stats is the amount of muscle injuries that Spurs have had. The man himself has said his style causes injuries
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Ange previously admitted it does when at Celtic and I highly doubt his methods have changed here at Spurs, especially as we’ve had substantial injuries in both seasons so far, many of them muscle related, even more directly - hamstring related.

    Many people pull/ tear their hamstrings often through sprinting and Ange’s system is heavily reliant on sprints, both offensively and defensively.
     
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