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WAR! What is it good for?

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Treble, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. Solid Air 2

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    you only just noticed that .
     
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  2. PINKIE

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    Nope, not really
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    Odds are pretty good in the extensive underground tunnel network. If Hamas didn’t embed themselves amongst civilians in buildings like schools and hospitals those places would have a marginally higher chance.
     
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  4. Milk..

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    I don't believe that for a minute. This isn't just a war against Hamas. Netanyahu has paraphrased several times over the years things like "for every Israeli that dies we want to kill 5 Palestinians"

    This isn't a military operation of Israel alone... it's a revenge operation. I don't think he really cares who he kills. In Netanyahu's eyes this is a case of revenge against an inferior race of people that deserve to be wiped off the planet.
     
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    I’m told October 7th was a revenge operation. Revenge is quite a good reason if anything. They knew what they were getting into and got into it anyway along with the civilians who decided to join in on the spur of the moment.
     
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  6. Milk..

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    Yeah, and it's always revenge against revenge against revenge against revenge. Hamas military and Israel targeting each other- and it's the innocent Palestinians who take the brunt of the killing between the two.
     
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  7. brb

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    Your first sentence, doesn't Hamas apply these rules themselves against Palestinians? - what I mean by that is everytime there are hostage negotiations, they always want something like a 100 Palestinians released for each Israeli. If they wanted a sense of fairness, it would be one for one.

    In regards to the second sentence, I suppose all war is an operation of revenge of sorts. The war was started as an act of revenge against Hamas for sure, and unfortuantely as is the case with war, innocent people are stuck in the middle.

    I want the killing to stop, but I also know there is a very easy way for it to stop, release all the remaining hostages now and for Hamas to step down, and for all rockets into any part of Israel to stop. But we know there is a bigger problem here, Iran and America.

    I suppose the reality is none of the warmongers in the world want peace, whoever they may be, there are bigger goals and objectives, way beyond anything to do with Israel, but like everything else and as with Gaza, it's a sewn into the fabric of the problem.

    For a real end to the war, you need all the big players and their proxies to agree on peace, and at the moment they are more interested in trade wars. I suppose at least with a trade war it's less money to spend on weapons, certainly for the smaller players like the UK anyway, and even that can have consequences where Russia is concerned.
     
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  8. Milk..

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    Yes, and addressed some of that in my post after that one.

    I'm in no way suggesting Hamas isn't as equally bad about this- and Hamas probably want Israel wiped out as much as Israel wants Palestine wiped out. It's the Palestinians who just want to live their lives who tend to get caught in the crossfire here.
     
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  9. FosseFilberto

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    Well apart from the fact that hundreds of Palestinians get locked up without charge or trial ... many from the West Bank that have **** all to do with Hamas... but weren't happy with being forcibly moved from their homes to make way for illegal Israeli settlements...
     
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  10. brb

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    I don't doubt some are locked up without charge. But it has everything to do with Hamas if they are negotiating hostage releases on the terms that they have been doing. I still don't understand in hostage negotiations where it's accepted by both sides to release say 50 hostages for every 1 of the otherside. Milk was calling Netty out over it with the death ratio (5 for 1, I think he said), well you can't call him out over it if you are accepting negotiations on those very same terms.
     
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    It's more than likely that the majority of Palestinians being released have nothing to do with Hamas ...
     
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    It's always come across to me as though the Israeli's have gone about filling their jails up with ridiculous amount of people, that all need feeding and watering everyday, and in turn creating a logistical nightmare, so Israel or Netty should I say wants to throw them back. But how can either side have respect in negotiations when things are dealt with in this manner.

    I was openly critical about the last lot of negotiations, and nothing I've seen has changed my opinion on that, and I say again as long as negotiations are constantly carried out on this basis, there can never be respect between the two sides - much like Hamas didn't show respect when they released the hostages.

    Negotiations are supposed to bring warring factions together, but it seems like another Putin situation, another guy that is taking advantage of a ceasefire deal. I think there's just a total lack of respect towards humans all the way around. And referring back to Milks comments again, that until you deal with this fundamental basis in the correct manner, there will never be peace.
     
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    Tunnels are usually things innit<whistle>
     
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    They voted them in.

    And they chose to bring up thier innocent children with the ideology of death as Hamas teaches.

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  15. Solid Air 2

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    they're normally underground mate
     
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    Yeah saw that earlier.

    Proves that Israel are lying

    How many other lies have they spread during this conflict when they bomb schools, hospitals, mosques and refugee camps ?

    ****ing scumbags
     
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    No foreign Journalists allowed into Gaza either because Israel don't want the world to know the truth.

    They have also been trying to remove Ms Francesca Albanese as the special rapporteur for the UN Human rights council as she reports on human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territories and any violations of international law

    Israel are systematically trying to hide their war crimes from the eyes of the world and remove anybody who tries to report on it.
     
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  19. Solid Air 2

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    Right from the start of this my assumption has been treat anything from both sides as a likely distortion of the truth unless proved otherwise .
     
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  20. FosseFilberto

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    Shame not everybody thinks the same ...

    Just another 'defensive' action, obviously...
     
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