That's an interesting question and I will try to do it justice in my reply. Yes I was happy to see the back of Jose and Conte because of the sheer drudgery of the football produced. We have seen a lot of very poor football and poor results during Ange's time but at the same there is a different principle at work. I am not content, but I can see a progression. The progression is in the squad being assembled, which is based on young players of huge potential. For this direction to have a chance we need stability therefore I favour sticking with Ange for one more season at least, BECAUSE he is on board with the general direction being put forward by Spurs. My personal expertise is management I have run my own companies for 40 odd years and I am still on 2 different boards as a director. I don't pretend to be an expert on football so I try not to make tactical comments or second guess the suitability or otherwise of our managers from a football point of view. I do look at managerial styles because in football it's very interesting AND extremely difficult. So many different styles and so many different ways to achieve the same aim i.e. winning football matches. Ange is an experienced football manager and I have watched him adapt and learn at Spurs because each team will present a different challenge. He and the media would have you believe he has his methods and sticks to it and people say that's why he is failing. I just don't believe that. I have seen him adapt and change the way he plays in the same way you see most managers change as the games unfold. Whoever manages Spurs will need to go through a process to achieve their targets, and that takes time. If we ditch Ange now, as seems likely, we will have to start the process yet again. Of course if we were to go for Redknapp or Poch that would shorten the process because they already know lots about Spurs and both would not be too averse to our current squad with a few tweaks. I just find the process of continuing new projects boring and just would prefer some stability.
If you read my comment you will see that I am describing the forum as a place where all these different comments are expressed. You are expressing the pretty mainstream view on here. I am the one who is not.
The general passing stats for this game followed the pattern they have for most of this season (how predictable they are ) . Within them, the KPI measures wrt the opponent were bad. Purely on a "let the numbers decide" basis, without even needing to watch many of the games this season, manager and coaches should be gone.
Well, you lot finally did for Conte in 2023, so some Spurs supporters may be hoping for more of that again.
...and I support your right to be as wrong as you like. I am neither threatened by, nor intolerant of your views. I just vehemently disagree with them. Try to remember that it was you who remarked that I made the same comments over and over again. Just as you accused me of being personal in saying you had an agenda , when you had raised exactly that accusation to a poster a few minutes before, who had disagreed with you. As a moderater,, I would suggest that a primary quality required is to be above applying judgment based on your personal views. If you wish to moderate, keep to your brief. If you want to press that people who have contrary views are boring and apply censure to others and not yourself, with regards to certain words and phrases, it's time to hang up the moderation gavel. It comes to us all, mate!
Like you I can see the potential of the squad but unlike you I don’t see Ange developing it. In fact I think he’s hindering it. The amount of good players now playing abysmally is of huge concern. In the Jose/ Conte eras, whilst they didn’t endear themselves with some of the football, you could at least have a degree of sympathy that they had to utilise between them players like Winks, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Dier, Sanchez, Emerson, Doherty, Sessegnon and so on. Two managers who were used to working with a lot of the cream in football were dealing with many players that wouldn’t have made their former side’s reserves. Ange is experienced but nowhere near the level I believe is needed to succeed at this level, I was very much on board with his appointment but 18+ months of his management has been more than enough to realise that there was probably a reason why he’s spent 25 years in the B Leagues and never got his “big break” earlier. I haven’t seen the adaption you speak of either, all I’ve seen is an alarming regression and a failing to understand the demands of the Premier League. Dan KP’s article today mentioned “they largely resembled 11 individuals - with no game plan, cohesion or structure”. If that were a one off you could put it down to being an off day, we had those under Poch/ Harry/ Jol and that’s just football but that statement from Dan KP could be used for about 60-70% of our matches since December 2023. I think the idea of a new project is a bit misleading. It’s only really been new projects because we’ve done 180s on managerial philosophies and styles. Take a leaf out of Brighton’s book for example and they’ve had 3 managers in the last 4 years, all of whom have suited their current playing personnel by continuing the same footballing philosophies but with their own tweaks. If we sack Ange all we theoretically need to do is (try to) hire someone who has similar philosophies but better execution of them.
I do not accept your take on this at all. My views were taken to task because they were against the run of play. I asked somebody to think about what they had said that's all. I am happy to stand down as a moderator. Would you like a poll?
Not to put the cat among the pigeons, but I'd support the idea of a vote for a new mod, for reasons totally separate to this thread that have been discussed with the other mods in private and which I therefore won't repeat here. @PowerSpurs would be my pick. Even though I disagree with almost everything he says, I cannot recall him once losing his cool with any poster. He expresses himself respectfully and doesn't repeat points ad nauseam.
OK we can agree on trying to find a manager with simlar philosophies. I think we will have to differ on Ange, many managers come from lower leagues, most league are lower after all.
Yes but the majority do so at young-ish ages as they’ve showed promise at lower levels and the theory with most young hires is that clubs likely hope they’re going to unearth the next Guardiola, Mourinho or Ancelotti. Graham Potter for instance was around 42 when Swansea took the punt on him from Ostersunds and then around 44 when Brighton hired him, De Zerbi was around 42 and Hurzeler is younger than me at 32! Slot was 45 when Liverpool hired him. Iraola was late 30s when he managed in the Spanish second division, got promoted then left Vallecano to take over at Bournemouth. All of these managers, just like young footballers are hired for their ability but also their potential. Ange came in at 58. If we signed the equivalent of say a 34 year old player from the SPL or Championship I doubt we’d be expecting them to be a great player and I think that’s unfortunately the case with him. He’s not going to improve and his current ability just isn’t good enough. I’m not mad we took the punt on him, it was a risk that unfortunately hasn’t paid off but we need to bury it and move on.
They do, I think the issue with Ange is and always has been that he’s been a manager for a long time already but never managed in England or a top level league before he got the Spurs job. It’s why he was a bizarre choice for me. I also think with the structure in place that a new manager wouldn’t result in starting again. That is assuming they go for a progressive footballing manager
It's a reasonable argument DH and I am not on solid ground because of the poor record Ange has with us so far. All that you say is logical although as an old person I am not too keen on your ageist approach I always remember how I joined the bandwagon to sack Redknapp and in hindsight I regret that.
Both you and DH are putting Ange's age and experience against him which is an interesting take. Why didn't he make it to the PL earlier is the suggestion. I think you have to take into account that Austraila and Japan are a very long way away in football terms how did he come to the notice of Celtic?
I actually think we’ve got a lot of really good players but they’re just not being played in the right way. We’ve got underlapping full backs who get no protection when they do go up so always hopefully out of position when the attack inevitable breaks down. We’ve got wingers whose strength is cutting inside being asked to stay wide when it should be the full backs playing to their strengths overlapping. That’s a massive reason I think in the drop off from Son as Udogie is running into the space he thrives in. We don’t have any semblance of a defensive midfield with two in there expected to run around like headless chickens while making an excellent number 10 (maddison) drift out to the left. Chelsea midfield was exactly how we should setup, caicedo being the main ball winner, enzo the all rounder and palmer in the 10. The amount of times Chelsea just chipped the ball over our midfielders who had all torn forward to palmer was crazy. There’s the nucleus of a really good team here but just need to be played in a way that actually suits them.
I was livid and gutted we sacked Redknapp. I had no issue with the fact he wanted the England job, it’s the most prestigious position for any Englishman and when he didn’t get it I was delighted. The rumour was he eventually got sacked after personal issues with Levy but either way it was a terrible decision from the board. We’d just finished 4th, albeit missed out on CL due to Chelsea winning the comp. He was brilliant for us.
It's not up to me what you do. I think you should consider it or the nature of your comments. You're not displaying the impartiality I think that you should. You can't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.
We've been through this before with PNP in DM's. As I've said above, personally, I don't mind/care if you resign or not. It's up to you, but when your opinion starts to colour your impartial role, be prepared to be called on it.
