I guess we'll see, but I'd be very surprised if he's sacked before the Europa games. Not particularly disappointed, admittedly. It may depend on the players and what they have to say. I doubt any will publicly criticise Postecoglou, but they may not be as kind behind the scenes.
As far as I am concerned he can **** off back to Oz today and take Jarred Gillett with him. I don't think I have ever wanted to see the back of a manager more than I do today, Ramos maybe but it would be very close. I honestly think that anyone could be appointed today from Mickey Mouse to Donald Trump and we would finish the season better than we will if Ange stays.
I don’t think anyone seriously expected us to get any points last night so I can’t complain too much However, to put it into context, this is our 16th loss in the PL. We have the fewest points of the London PL teams and are languishing at the bottom half of the table. The players do not believe in Ange and haven’t done so for months. This is evident on the pitch. So whilst yesterday was pretty much expected, it’s yet another pathetic display on the pitch to go along with the losses against the likes of Palace, Ipswich and Everton. We are meant to be the pride of North London. There is no pride and the atmosphere is so toxic that many players will not want to stay. We have a good squad that is capable of more under a more qualified coach.
My worry now is that we've cut so much of our nose off to spite our face, that we will lose players in the summer we'd ideally want to keep. I'm resigned to Romero leaving, and expect Bissouma and Richarlison to do the same. Wouldn't bat an eyelid if Bentancur leaves too as I don't rate him. Kulusevski and Spence are a worry though. I can see a lot of interest in them and tbh neither of them has any reason to stay.
Because he keeps picking mad choices. You know this. You admitted that you knew Mourinho and Conte were wrong from the off. Ange was just a mad punt. Nuno was a temp on a 2 year deal with a break clause in the middle. The club had no faith in him and pretty soon, neither did the players.
The Nuno thing was bizarre, not in the least because he abandoned the football that had, for a time, been his successful formula at Wolves. Whether that was a Nuno choice or one ‘encouraged’ by the club, I don’t know. Maybe we abandoned ship too soon - look at Forest this season. What makes a good manager and a successful club though? I think Eddie Howe would have been viewed as an underwhelming appointment for example if we’d got him from Bournemouth. Not many expected him to last as long at Newcastle as he has, but he’s just broken their trophy drought and hasn’t spent as much money as many expected. Is he a really good manager who is under appreciated, is he a lucky man, is it a bit of both? Does it really matter or is it about being in the right place at the right time? I think there’s cultural issues at the club beyond whoever the manager or sporting director or whoever is passing through, is. We have nice things and spend money on the squad but there appears to be no clear vision of how we will succeed on the pitch and/or no iron will to make that happen. Yes there’s elements of luck in every win but the environment has to be right and that comes from the top. A fish rots from the head. I don’t think Levy has what it takes to drive the club forward on the pitch in this era of football.
18 months is the average length of tenure of managers in England. My post wasn't related to Spurs' appointments.
Good coaches, at decent sized clubs, like Spurs, who have applied thought and care to the appointment, last longer. We're not doing those things, which is why we're constantly paying to ditch the recklessly appointed
I think that’s because it’s a sufficient amount of time to see progress or not. Our three best managers in the Prem all had great second seasons - Jol 5th (could’ve been 4th but for bloody lasagne!), Redknapp 4th and Poch 3rd. Clubs can’t afford to give much longer if things go badly unless there’s the genuine impression a corner will be turned which in our case there isn’t as we’re only getting worse. There’s so many consequences to it, financially, reputably and competitively (loss of players due to bad positioning). We’ll likely be suffering all of that barring an almost miraculous Europa League triumph.
The poor ones do. Good ones last longer. Redknapp & Poch for example. Pep, Klopp, Wenger & Sir Alex also obvious examples of great coaches that spent considerable time at one club
Yes but my point is that very few great coaches exist and even the four you mention have only achieved success in one of the top three richest clubs in their leagues. So no-one can say for certain that the success is due to the coaching rather than the money.
Look at Man Utd since Ferguson left? How many titles? Yet the money is still there. Money is of course important but the personnel is equally if not more. Poch had Spurs punching above their weight, that was down to him not down to money. In fact Spurs have spent more in recent years but got worse, why is that? Because of the wrong choice of managers.
I still think it's weird that people think coaches are very important but give them so little time to prove themselves. Sometimes you can see you have made a mistake but I would make that decision on attitude not data...eg Santini or Sherwood. I still think Ange is deliberately playing a risky game and so will have bad patches. His injury record is terrible which I think is the real reason for the poor league form but I don't have any evidence that injuries are caused by him. Historically, Arsenal's results just without Gabriel have been terrible and Ange has missed a lot more players. We have the second most expensive squad in the Europa so winning wouldn't be any sort of miracle.
Your post just assumes the answer. Man Utd support my case because they have not been able to find a coach who can deliver despite having more money. So why should we? Personnel being more important than money may be true but there is a huge correlation because money buys the personnel. You can outperform for a short while on recruitment but no-one can create a lasting edge on that. It's a better explanation of Poch's success that he coincided with a patch of good recruitment and our decline since is simply a return to the norm.
Chelsea are another example of a club with loads of money, high manager turnover and very little success to show for it. No trophies since 2021.
18 months isn’t little time though. That’s a season and a half to convince people that you know what you’re doing. By the end of that period there should be a semblance of a project starting to form and signs of what’s to come. This isn’t a bad patch either, it’s become the norm. Since December 2023 we’ve been inconsistent and as more time has passed we’ve gotten worse. I’d say a decent piece of evidence would be the man himself admitting whilst at Celtic that his system induces injuries due to its demands. I think the fact that around 70% of our injuries are muscle based is also another strong indicator. It would seem like a miracle based on how bad we are.
