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Is Martin O'neill Sunderland's Bobby Robson?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by CyprusMackem, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. murray out

    murray out Well-Known Member

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    this, summed up to a t quillips
     
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  2. BrandSAFC

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    Let us hope so eh...
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Not in the same league for me. Sir Bobby was a true great. He won trophies in leagues all around Europe, managed the biggest club in the world, did a fantastic job with his national team, just a success wherever he went. He had that magic you describe. No evidence as yet that O'Neill has the same magic but he has a very solid record as a manager and should do well for Sunderland.
     
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  4. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Ah this old chestnut again. How to alter history by The Mackems! Bobby was sacked because Freddie Shepherd no longer believed he had control of the dressing room. Nothing more, nothing less. Shepherd has been quoted many times. Hence the reason Souness followed, Shepherd seeing him as a disciplinarian who could control the wayward young players. Shepherd just forgot its good to get someone who can manage too. There was a minority of our support who booed Bobby in the game prior to his departure. This was a very small minority and they'd have no infoluence on the coming aned going of managers. Jesus, all 52,000 could be booing or cheering, Shepherd was getting rid regardless. Chariman sack managers, not a minority of the support.
     
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  5. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    There's no comparison...

    A legend of the North East, outside of football as well as within in it....
     
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  6. Willa Pond

    Willa Pond Active Member

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    Cest got rid of SB single handedly :grin:


    I agree Shepard probably didn't listen to the fans but it is still a fact a significant number of Newcastle fans were booing Robson in the period leading up to his sacking but I guess they're no different to anyone else and have collectivly developed a selective memory of the time.
     
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  7. General Klytus

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    Sir Bobby was the type of man that the vast majority of football fans warmed to whether that be Sunderland, Newcastle or much further afield. It is indicative of Newcastle that they would sack such a legend of the game bearing in mind that Sir Bobby had managed to guide Newcastle toward a very healthy league position with remarkable consistency. I recall a fair number of Newcastle fans criticising Sir Bobby upon a multitude of various public messageboards when Newcastle were 6th in the league, claiming such well justified comments along the lines of... "Lost the plot"...

    However this is entirely understandable as at that point in time Newcastle fans had managed to fully develop their delusions of grandeur, which to some extent are still apparent today. Delusions of grandeur that were founded upon several seasons that can only be described as 'punching above their weight' under the guidance of Keegan, and interestingly enough, quite a considerable amount of indebtedness to the banks.

    Taking the original question into correct context... Yes, I'm sure Martin O'Neill can be Sunderland's Bobby Robson as Martin O'Neill has all of the qualities and attributes to guide our great club toward the top 6, which is the same feat achieved by Sir Bobby at Newcastle. I would suggest one fundamental difference... Sunderland won't sack Martin O'Neill if he manages to achieve such consistency. Ofcourse, the premier league is far tougher than it was in the times when Sir Bobby achieved a consistent top 6 finish with Newcastle and if Martin O'Neill manages to achieve a few top 6-7's with Sunderland, he ought to be lauded with proportionate adolation.
     
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  8. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    For me I dont get the sakings, trophies thing when talkinga about SBR. He was about far more than that, simply a football fan who loved the northeast, worshiped Newcastle but still loved Sunderland and a true gent.

    That advert they show sums him up to me,"Not meaning to be boastfull", says it all, he never was.
     
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  9. CyprusMackem

    CyprusMackem Active Member

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    Very interesting reactions which I wasn't expecting TBH.
    I made it very clear in the OP the respect I had for Bobby, I really didn't want this thread to become "our hero is better than your hero", because Sir Bob was everybody's hero.
    To me MON has all the tools to become a legend at Sunderland. He has an affinity with the club going back to childhood. He has passion in abundance and isn't scared to show it. He's equipped with a razor sharp footballing brain and has the ability to make players feel special.
    So while I agree MON isn't on Bobby's level yet. One day...He could very well be.
     
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  10. Hieronymus

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    I don't think they are in the same league as much as I would like it to be so. Sir Bobby was a man of his times; a modest and proud North Easterner who loved Sunderland almost as much as Newcastle, who was a great football aficianado and a true gentleman. The world will never see his like again because that generation of football men is nearly gone and younger managers, due to the pressures of modern football club management, need to be, and are, more self-serving.

    However I believe MON can be a legend at Sunderland and, if he achieves half as much as Sir Bobby did in his management career, I for one will be very happy indeed!
     
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  11. Willa Pond

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    I think MoN has a chance to be our second chance 'Brian Clough'.. he lacks the grace to ever be a Bobby Robson for me.
     
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  12. Boss

    Boss Son of Pulis

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    Don't be pathetic.

    Bobby Robson was a truly great manager who guided England to within penalties of the world cup final, managed Barcelona and throughout his career was highly respected by some of the best players in the world.

    Martin O'Neil is just a decent manager, with a big voice that has had mediocre success and at best will get you to 7th.
     
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  13. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Suddenly i feel quite intimadated....the voice of a spud...
     
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  14. General Klytus

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    Spoken as a true and completely unbiased football fan. Now let me guess, do you support Stevenage Borough?

    By deliberately attempting to belittle Martin O'Neill you project an ambience of concern that Sunderland have such an excellent manager guiding operations today... It is unknown just how far Martin O'Neill can take Sunderland at this point in time, however a consistent 6-7th for Sunderland will be a great achievement, taking into consideration all of the factors that influence the success of a club in a modern premier league format. Anything more than that, such as a cup win, will be the iceing upon the cake.
     
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  15. Willa Pond

    Willa Pond Active Member

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    But is it Spud-u-like or Spud-you-don't-much-care-for-because-well-it's-a-spud?
     
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  16. General Klytus

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    For some reason it would appear asthough a few people have decided to compare personalities... Sir Bobby was the consumate gentleman and blessed us with a very warm personality. Martin O'Neill is gentleman too, he merely acquits himself in a different manner, a manner which reveals the touch of a man who grew up in a community where fortitude and self belief were a prerequisite for survival.

    The one common factor that both men behold is the ability to galvanise a football club. Martin has chosen the path of his boyhood club, because he is a gentleman of romance.
     
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  17. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    You what?!
     
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  18. General Klytus

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    <laugh>
     
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  19. CyprusMackem

    CyprusMackem Active Member

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    Unsurprisingly you have completely missed the point.
    It's not about success. Bobby Robson won nowt at Newcastle and was ultimately sacked, yet is adored by the fans.
    MON has delivered at virtually every club he's been at. If he does it for his boyhood club, he will be idolized.
     
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  20. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    TBF THE BOSS has 2 user names, the other is BIG JOHNNY, very apt, a thing you **** into
     
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