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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Oct 29, 2022.

  1. Heimdallr

    Heimdallr Well-Known Member

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    I don't disagree that he's finding out about the power of image. And I'm sure he doesn't give a ****, so I'm not even defending him as such, just find the level of emotion odd. He's not genociding Uighurs.

    But many needs the 'right' target to hate as an emotional outlet and it's socially acceptable to do so. If I state that a billionaire is buying up arable land whilst promoting and financing lab-made food to the proles, I'll get accused of being a conspiracy theorist. If I state that a billionaire is a nazi openly promoting white supremacy, I'll get masses stating 'right on, dude'.

    Either way, there should be no billionaires.
     
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  2. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    Post of the day <ok>
     
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    Given that almost every Musk announcement about Tesla has not happened in the timeframe he announced, I applaud your confidence.
     
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  4. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Doesn’t sound good the Dacia
    https://www.whatcar.com/dacia/spring/hatchback/review/n26964
     
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  6. OedipusTex

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    Not quite the same thing. Monies remaining in the economy create more growth than monies taken by the government with only half returned due to inefficiencies.
     
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  7. HHH

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    There's no evidence that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector.
     
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  8. Cityzen

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    Really? :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  9. HHH

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    Yes, really.
     
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  10. Cityzen

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    Not in the real world there isn’t.
     
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  11. HHH

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    The truth is it depends.

    But as someone who works in the real world, I have experience of the private sector taking over public sector services.

    That experience is one of a reduced quality of service which then leans on the public sector to bail them out when they fail.
     
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  12. Cityzen

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    Examples?
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    I assume he's referring to trains, as I can't think of any other situation it would apply to.

    Private companies are generally better run, more efficient and more profitable, than state owned ones.
     
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  14. HHH

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    The failure of healthcare at home to provide patients with essential treatments. Hospital pharmacy services stepping in. Hospital pharmacies still having to employ and pay for a team of staff to manage things.

    Failure of PFI on the management of hospital buildings. Local managers outsourcing jobs to their mates at inflated costs. Essentially on site full time when it would be more efficient to hire local fulltime staff.

    Still on PFI. Is it efficient to report a burst water pipe to a central office. Speak to a person who has no knowledge of who or what you are and can't even pronounce the name of your department. Or would it be better to just speak to the blokes on their workshop upstairs?

    Outpatient pharmacy services given to private sector pharmacies, simply because a loophole means they don't pay VAT on drugs but hospital pharmacies (public sector) do. But they don't have the required expertise so still need to lean on the support of the hospital pharmacies. Taking them away from what they should be doing.

    Several years ago there was a move to shift much of the compounding of cancer treatments to the private sector. They failed to deliver what they promised and now hospital trusts are investing in reopening and building new Aseptic facilities to meet the shortfall.

    How is the privatised energy and water utility sector working out?

    It's a two way thing. Someone can come back at me from the other side. But my point that it depends stands.
     
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  15. HHH

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    Nope.
     
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  16. bradymk2

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    dont get me started on the privatised water utility sector
    its one of the the most disgusting entities ive ever seen
     
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  17. originallambrettaman

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    They would all seem to be failures in the NHS, which is obviously state owned.
     
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  18. Amin Yapusi

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    If you don’t like your supplier, just move to a better one.
     
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  19. Cityzen

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    PFI was a con job set up to keep costs off the books. Started in a small way by the Tories then adopted wholeheartedly by Gordon Brown. Nothing to do with private v public sector efficiency. Public sector energy would have done no better than private ones as it would have still been affected by circumstances out. of their control.
    Are you old enough to remember the days of the electricity and gas boards being publicly owned? You could only buy goods from their showrooms with little choice and were treated as if they were doing you a favour in supplying a cooker or fridge in 6 weeks. And service and repairs were a joke. Same with the publicly owned telephones. Weeks stretching into months to get a phone whereas in Hull you could get one in a few days.
    Would definitely have water back in public ownership. And the railways. Which wouldn’t guarantee things would be better if you remember the days of British Rail.
     
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  20. Cityzen

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    <laugh> Brady won’t get it.
     
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