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    What should we do with the drunken sailor?
     
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    Send the clean up bill to Putin.
     
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    No shock he turned out to be Russian
     
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    I'm on the verge of saying stick to the topic... There's a politics thread for this :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    This makes me fume :emoticon-0107-sweat:steam::steam::steam:


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o


    Amazon forest felled to build roadfor climate summit

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    Watch: Drone shots show scale of Amazon deforestation for COP30 road

    Ione Wells
    Belém, Brazil

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    A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém.

    It aims to ease traffic to the city, which will host more than 50,000 people - including world leaders - at the conference in November.

    The state government touts the highway's "sustainable" credentials, but some locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact.

    The Amazon plays a vital role in absorbing carbon for the world and providing biodiversity, and many say this deforestation contradicts the very purpose of a climate summit.

    Along the partially built road, lush rainforest towers on either side - a reminder of what was once there. Logs are piled high in the cleared land which stretches more than 13km (8 miles) through the rainforest into Belém.

    Diggers and machines carve through the forest floor, paving over wetland to surface the road which will cut through a protected area.

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    Claudio Verequete lives about 200m from where the road will be. He used to make an income from harvesting açaí berries from trees that once occupied the space.

    "Everything was destroyed," he says, gesturing at the clearing.

    "Our harvest has already been cut down. We no longer have that income to support our family."

    He says he has received no compensation from the state government and is currently relying on savings.

    He worries the construction of this road will lead to more deforestation in the future, now that the area is more accessible for businesses.

    "Our fear is that one day someone will come here and say: 'Here's some money. We need this area to build a gas station, or to build a warehouse.' And then we'll have to leave.

    "We were born and raised here in the community. Where are we going to go?"

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    Claudio Verequete says the trees he harvested açaí from have been cut down

    His community won't be connected to the road, given its walls on either side.

    "For us who live on the side of the highway, there will be no benefits. There will be benefits for the trucks that will pass through. If someone gets sick, and needs to go to the centre of Belém, we won't be able to use it."

    The road leaves two disconnected areas of protected forest. Scientists are concerned it will fragment the ecosystem and disrupt the movement of wildlife.

    Prof Silvia Sardinha is a wildlife vet and researcher at a university animal hospital that overlooks the site of the new highway.

    She and her team rehabilitate wild animals with injuries, predominantly caused by humans or vehicles.

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    Sloths are among the animals frequently needing treatment after injuries caused by humans

    Once healed, they release them back into the wild – something she says will be harder if there is a highway on their doorstep.

    "From the moment of deforestation, there is a loss.

    "We are going to lose an area to release these animals back into the wild, the natural environment of these species," she said.

    "Land animals will no longer be able to cross to the other side too, reducing the areas where they can live and breed."

    The Brazilian president and environment minister say this will be a historic summit because it is "a COP in the Amazon, not a COP about the Amazon".

    The president says the meeting will provide an opportunity to focus on the needs of the Amazon, show the forest to the world, and present what the federal government has done to protect it.

    But Prof Sardinha says that while these conversations will happen "at a very high level, among business people and government officials", those living in the Amazon are "not being heard".

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    Regional infrastructure secretary Adler Silveira says the highway will help to "modernise" Belém

    The state government of Pará had touted the idea of this highway, known as Avenida Liberdade, as early as 2012, but it had repeatedly been shelved because of environmental concerns.

    Now a host of infrastructure projects have been resurrected or approved to prepare the city for the COP summit.

    Adler Silveira, the state government's infrastructure secretary, listed this highway as one of 30 projects happening in the city to "prepare" and "modernise" it, so "we can have a legacy for the population and, more importantly, serve people for COP30 in the best possible way".

    Speaking to the BBC, he said it was a "sustainable highway" and an "important mobility intervention".

    He added it would have wildlife crossings for animals to pass over, bike lanes and solar lighting. New hotels are also being built and the port is being redeveloped so cruise ships can dock there to accommodate excess visitors.

    Brazil's federal government is investing more than $81m (£62m) to expand the airport capacity from "seven to 14 million passengers". A new 500,000 sq-m city park, Parque da Cidade, is under construction. It will include green spaces, restaurants, a sports complex and other facilities for the public to use afterwards.

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    Some business owners in the city's vast open-air Ver-o-peso market agree that this development will bring opportunities for the city.

    "The city as a whole is being improved, it is being repaired and a lot of people are visiting from other places. It means I can sell more and earn more," says Dalci Cardoso da Silva, who runs a leather shoe stall.

    He says this is necessary because when he was young, Belém was "beautiful, well-kept, well cared for", but it has since been "abandoned" and "neglected" with "little interest from the ruling class".

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    João Alexandre Trindade da Silva hopes COP30 will leave a great legacy for the people of Pará state

    João Alexandre Trindade da Silva, who sells Amazonian herbal medicines in the market, acknowledges that all construction work can cause problems, but he felt the future impact would be worth it.

    "We hope the discussions aren't just on paper and become real actions. And the measures, the decisions taken, really are put into practice so that the planet can breathe a little better, so that the population in the future will have a little cleaner air."

    That will be the hope of world leaders too who choose to attend the COP30 summit.

    Scrutiny is growing over whether flying thousands of them across the world, and the infrastructure required to host them, is undermining the cause.
     
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    The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.

    Thanks for posting the whole article, I couldn't work out how to do it!
     
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    Didn’t realise you had posted it already .

    I just C&P the article and posted the link as well :)
     
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    I wonder who all this Climate Change isn’t real nonsense helps? Is it the ordinary people or is it the ultra-rich oil companies and people looking to make a quick buck turning rainforest into grazing land?
     
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    Last two , they clearly don’t give a stuff about the planet or anything living on it .
     
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    50,000 people to attend! That is some beano and a lot of prawn sandwiches.
     
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    Never heard of video conferencing? Apart from the Amazon destruction, there’s the pollution from thousands of aircraft taking the free loaders to Brazil. I know I’ll get a heat source pump to offset their carbon footprint. I only have to live until 3025 to make a dent in it.
     
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    You'd have to change your name to Really Old Stockton Saint <whistle><whistle>
     
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    Time for enforcing a ban on single use plastics although according to this https://www.gov.uk/guidance/single-use-plastics-bans-and-restrictions#banned-items some are but with a long list of exemptions.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...and-channel-island-beaches-up-by-95-last-year
    Here's the EU restrictions
    https://environment.ec.europa.eu/to...u-restrictions-certain-single-use-plastics_en
    Here in the Netherlands there's deposits on most plastic and beer bottles and cans, wine is excluded. Still far to much plastic packaging and ciggy butts are coating the terrace bars floors.
    Found this which
    Companies responsible for the most plastic pollution world-wide for 2022:
    1. Coca-Cola*
    2. PepsiCo
    3. Nestlé
    4. Unilever
    5. Mondelëz International
    6. Mars
    7. Procter & Gamble
    8. Philip Morris International
    9. Danone
    10. Ferrero Group
    Countries responsible for the biggest plastic pollution in our oceans:
    1. India (126.5 million kg).
    2. China (70.7 million kg).
    3. Indonesia (53.3 million kg).
    4. Brazil (38 million kg).
    5. Thailand (22.8 million kg).
    6. Mexico (3.5 million kg).
    7. Egypt 2.5 million kg).
    8. United States (2.4 million kg).
    9. Japan (1.84 million kg).
    10. United Kingdom (0,703 million kg).
    Source: The Chartered Institution of Water and Environmental Management https://www.ciwem.org/
     
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    Looks like Indians drinking too much Coke and Pepsi .
     
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    Not sure where we've been shipping waste to elsewhere in the world but we certainly don't recycle all of it in the UK so I wonder if our numbers are a bit low
     
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    The top three export countries for the UK's plastic waste in 2020 were Turkey (209,642 tonnes – 39%), Malaysia (65,000 tonnes – 12%) and Poland (38,000)
     
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    I went for a walk in Thailand a couple of years ago. Wandered off the beaten track and past a family of monkeys. I was in the forest and crested a ridge to see… the whole forest floor covered in old fridges, mattresses, plastic bottles.

    Getting rid of all this crap is quite difficult.
     
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    Oh…
     
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    I am sure he is a bot.
     
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