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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Ian Thumwood

    Ian Thumwood Well-Known Member

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    Quite interesting to read about the Polish military which is allegedly in a sense of chaos and poorly led. The suggestion is that Poland will be meat and drink for Russia without American assistance
     
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    That’s all we have now. A stream of anti-European propaganda.
     
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    Poland is a full member of NATO and the EU. It won't be standing alone or be abandoned by it's partners should Putin be foolish enough to invade.
     
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  4. Ian Thumwood

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    The Polish military suffers from poor leadership and had major procurement issues. I cannot post the link to the apolitical article I read but the implications are that Poland is only just waking up to what needs to be achieved. At least Ukraine already had military experience before it was invaded. The suggestion was that Poland finds itself in a potential repetition of 1939 with a poorly equipped and badly managed military which is wholly dependent on the US.
     
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    How Trump got some of these choices through, I have no idea. Half his team are Nazi Barbies and the rest are either incompetent or insane.
     
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    It is what the Americans voted for. I just wonder if this crew will lead to the death of popularism. They make Liz Truss look sane.
     
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    America is already dead. I believe now that the technocrats genuinely do want to break up the US and fracture the world order. Thiel and his cronies are obsessed with this idealised future in which mankind has risen above our mortal needs and believe we can hasten these ideas today. It is often confused with modern marxism, as accelerationists are seen to want the destruction of the capitalist system. However, many people note there are fascist undertones, with talk of eugenics and the acceptable destruction of current populations to achieve a desired end.

    Two months ago this concept would have sounded insane to me, yet it holds together every time I see it raised.

    Or maybe Trump is indeed Putin’s lapdog. Who knows?
     
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    Part of the issue here is that the US is showing itself, under the current administration, to be an unreliable ally. Now whether you agree with the America First thing is kind of irrelevant - what they're doing shows (if we're being generous) only the slightest understanding of geopolitics.

    It only takes an iota of common sense to realise (but sadly that iota is beyond Trump and his gang) that in showing themselves as unreliable, countries like Poland (and others - Japan, Saudi Arabia, Germany) are now having to consider nuclear armament, in order to have a deterrent as the umbrella of nominal protection from a superpower is being taken away. Poland are openly talking about it.

    Nuclear proliferation is not a good idea. The more countries that have nukes, the more dangerous the world becomes. And you can't blame them at all, when you look at America turning its back on Ukraine in the way it is, since Ukraine surrendered its warheads, despite the Budapest memorandum.
     
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    Sad to see that the left’s propaganda is leading to genuine danger for politicians.

    All your Nazi rhetoric nonsense has real world consequences. You all need to tone it down
     
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    Silly me, I saw there was a new post and took it off ignore to see what it was.

    Did you actually, genuinely write that with a straight face?

    I'm guessing this is a joke, right? I mean it has to be.

    A guy who is a known suicide risk decides to go for the old suicide by cop, and that's the media's fault? Really? Nothing to do with what people like Musk and Trump are doing?

    Where do you honestly think the divisive, provocative rhetoric is coming from? The media, or places like X.

    I'll give you a clue. It's not the media.
     
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    I love description of 'suicide assassination guy.' Musk is a complete idiot. I am guessing that this is different from a 'pa edo guy' of the cave rescue incident or Gullible English student guy ?'

    Prior to Musk, the only bloke who used the word 'guy was Cliff Richard.
     
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    It's bizarre situation with Trump and his administration flip flopping all over the place. Over a hundred lawsuits and the Doge number increasing being questioned and found to be substantially wrong. Can't but hope it's all turning to **** for Trump and his arselicking sycophants.
     
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    It’s utterly ridiculous.

    People need to ask the age old question - if the “legacy media” is devalued, who gains?

    The answer is simple - Musk, Trump, Putin.

    Now I wonder why they’re trying…

    Musk’s “Associated Press / Associated Propaganda” thing was so cringe inducingly embarrassing, I think my insides turned out.
     
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    Coming back across the pond all the hysterical bleatings from the righteous right re VAT on schools fees have proved to be unfounded. I'm not a Labour voter and don't see eye to eye with Keir Starmer on a number of issues but credit where credit's due his government got his right.
    "Predictions that adding VAT to private school fees would set off a wave of parents moving children to the state sector have been proved wrong at their first key test, according to figures from councils in England.
    While critics including the former chancellor Jeremy *unt had predicted that up to 90,000 children could flood the state sector if VAT of 20% was charged, most councils say they have seen no impact from the policy in applications to start at state secondary schools later this year.
    Forecasts of widespread shortages of school places have also fallen flat, based on application figures for places in year 7, the first year of secondary school, that show more families receiving their first choice of school this year.

    A government source said: “Despite all the doom-mongering and ululating from the private schools lobby, as well as their Conservative and Reform lackeys, there hasn’t been a massive exodus from private schools.

    “This government will deliver for working families who want a brilliant state education for their children.”
     
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  18. Ian Thumwood

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    Wven Fox News has turned against Trump’s economic policy.

    I can see Musk's point about there being a legacy media and that the quality of reporting can vary. I would not dispute this. However, the newer media outlets have proven to be iess reliable and frequently being little better than fiction.

    I agree with Os that the Trump administration does not get a balanced coverage from mainstream media. In most cases the media is openly hostile. However, I think that Trump has gotten of lightly. He qould have a far rougher run in the serious British media
     
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    Of course the quality of reporting can vary, but people get terribly confused between reporting and editorial/comment - the part that has a go at people like Musk and Trump is the editorial or comment pieces, because it's the writer's opinion. When you also try and start having a go at the reporting of the likes of AP, Reuters and Bloomberg, which isn't opinion focussed at all, and is just 'raw news', then you're doing so dishonestly because you have another agenda at play.

    It's so obvious, even the most simple-minded person should be able to see it.

    As I always say, if opinion pieces upset you so much (funny how a writer isn't allowed free speech, eh?) then get your news from AP or Reuters, because that's undiluted by opinion (despite what the nefarious fools would like you to believe). Whatever you do, don't get your 'news' from X. That way doth complete madness lie.
     
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    HIGNFY and Private Eye have been having a good dig at Trump and the Trumpetts. More power to their mighty organs whilst noting no one in politics or elsewhere escapes their steely gaze.
     
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