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Can Pardew handle a squad?

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by NufcBano, Dec 7, 2011.

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  1. Colly NUFC

    Colly NUFC Active Member

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    Both of them played in the cup games, what more can we do? We aren't a team who've been blitzing teams 3 and 4 nil to give us chance to give players a runout, when we've made changes they've been for tactical reasons either to shore up the team by putting Perch on to hold onto a lead, or to grab a goal (Shola against Spurs). Either way, do you think 'niggles' to Guthrie et al would be avoided by giving him 15 minutes at the end of a Premier League game?

    The fact is, barring arguably one or two players (Ben Arfa, Santon, Guthries not far off) our backup isn't as good as our first team, which is the case for 15 teams in this division, and is the reason why only the big 4 or 5 can rotate heavily without diluting the quality of the team on the pitch. Pardews needed the best team out there to get results, and has achieved them. He can't be blamed for a massive defensive injury crisis, and calling up Kadar is far from an 'embarassment'.
     
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  2. NUFCaw

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    I would have posted something similar, so taking everything I've learned from univeristy so far, it's perfectly fine to use other peoples work as long as it's referenced :D
     
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  3. jord1988

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    Marveaux and Ben Arfa were eased into action with the Carling Cup. Ben Arfas getting up to speed now. And Marveaux was injured by a bad tackle. It seems to have gone unoticed what Heitinga did to get him Injured. Been a bit harsh on Pards. You wouldnt change a team that was unbeaten in 11 games no chance !
     
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  4. Arfa's Left Foot

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    This.

    Dan Gosling has not shown anything so far to show he is good enough. If we are 2-1 up with 20 minutes left and we bring off Cabaye for Gosling it is a risk. It could weaken our midfield and it could cost us points.

    Santon is quality, no doubt. But he isn't proven in this league yet and is still adapting. If we are losing you don't bring a defender on, and if we are winning by a small margin you don't change the defence around.

    Marveaux was an injury waiting to happen. He'd played minutes in the cup before his injury and if I remember correctly he went off injured before half time didn't he? So even if we brought him on for half an hour he could have still broke down.

    EDIT: My bad it was after 50 minutes he got injured. Still not exactly a long time.
     
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  5. The Situation

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    Are mr tiote and NufcBano the same person, they take turn's posting negative stuff then the other backs him up :huh: :emoticon-0116-evilg..

    But nah in all seriousness it is a strange one, but he was out on loan. I think he can do a valuable job!!! I really hope he takes his chance, if he gets it of course.
     
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  6. CheickyTiote

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    To be honest, I would rather stick Kadar in there over Perch as it's his natural position (and Perch is ****e!). On the plus side too at least we would be putting the young guy in there against a Norwich team, who are a good looking team don't get me wrong, rather than a Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City... It could be good for Kadar to get through the next 3 or 4 games against opponents who aren't going to be in the top half the table come the end of the season, whilst it still being a challenge for him. Rather than playing against the top 6 where he could get torn apart!
     
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  7. rabit71

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    all your points can easily be turned into arguments that pardew is GREAT at managing a squad:

    he may have alienated kadar to give him a kick up the backside, and since he has been made captain of the reserves and is now on the verge of breaking into the first 11 it has clearly worked. pardew = squad genius

    santon hasn't had a sniff this season because the lads are performing well and dropping in form players sends the wrong message. you need players to know that if they perform they will be given a chance, not just discarded when the "popular choice" is fit again - we're in a mess with the england squad because we keep picking the same **** time after time instead of the in form players. pardew = squad genius.

    HBA isn't fully match fit because he's been out for a year with quite a horrific injury which had several complications. pardew has eased him in. in the past we've rushed players back far too quickly and royally ****ed it up. long term a slow recovery is clearly the right choice for key assets. pardew = squad genius.

    your point on that HBA can't play right wing - have you not noticed pardew has 1 set position for each player (except our utility men raylor and perch)? guthrie only ever plays in Tiote's position, and pardew has previously said that barfa is a number 10. this method has clearly worked wonders with guthrie, so i find it rather ignorant of you to claim it a "miracle" he is playing well, when in fact it is just good management from pardew. pardew = squad genius

    marveaux did get gametime before his start, he impressed when he came on against wigan and earned his chance - this goes back to the point about santon not getting a game - if you perform you get a chance, showing the manager's consistency, another key attribute. pardew = squad genius.

    dan gosling hasn't gotten much of a sniff for the same reason - players in his position are playing well.

    and you can't blame pardew for injuries.


    NOTE: these are not necessarily my views, just alternatives to the op
     
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  8. nufc4life

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    going back to the question we will soon see if big al can handle the pressures if we hit the **** with these next few games due to top players being injured
     
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  9. in carr we trust

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    i like the poster am disgusted we are sixth and have lost two more games than we should have against our first real test's this season if we lose another game then he should be sacked and someone new should be brought in.
     
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  10. The Situation

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    I think people have missed the point of the thread, squad is a innuendo isn't it?
     
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  11. Smudger

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    It is emergency situation, we have 3 injured CBs which makes Perch 4th CB and Kadar 5th. It's very rare you require a 5th and he's been left out because no one at the club rates him!

    Santon has had to wait his turn, and rightly so. This team isnt picked on who is the bigger name, it's players who are performing well get picked and I wouldnt have it any other way. Ben Arfa is returning from a double leg break, it could take months of regular football to get a game. Marveaux got little game time because Jonas was playing absolutely out of his skin and we needed him to track back. Marveaux was also recovering from a serious injury. Gosling is 4th choice CM this season and has made a number of sub appearances, you want him to start for no reason ahead of 3 better performing players (Guthrie, Cabaye, Tiote)?

    If he had his way, we'd have a much, much bigger squad (and we'd still be in the cups which would give the other players game time). Remember who decides who and how many players we buy - Ashley.


    Stupid article.
     
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  12. Colly NUFC

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    He can handle my squad any day.
     
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  13. TheBeast

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    Agree 100%
     
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  14. LeonBestIsMint

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    He can handle a squad, I'm sure he isn't 100% happy with the current one however, in a couple of seasons look at him as then it will be his squad
     
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  15. nufc4life

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    in a couple of seasons players will of been and gone if fatboy has his silly offers ,just goes to show no one is safe from the fat man and his consorteum
     
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  16. Smudger

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    Players come and go all the time, we arent missing Carroll, Nolan, Barton etc one bit.
     
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  17. Amnesiac

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    After January the new rules will be in place meaning no team can spend much.
     
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  18. Clarence Acuna

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    What a load of garbage.

    The guy how got us overachieving beyond belief, in spite of an owner that refuses to really back him. Universal opinion is that Kadars attitude stinks, although he has heeded warnings and is reacting positively, trying to build some bridges. Taylor has had one poor game, and got endlessly exposed by Lovenkrands on Saturday, he definitely doesn't deserved to be dropped. Santon got a game at Blackburn and in all fairness played ok, but looked to be lacking in terms of strength and getting up to speed with the English game - eg falling over when he was pushed near his own box. The games we've just come through would have exposed this massively and ruined the lads confidence, Pardew has done well in biding his time.

    Blaming the manager for injuries is idiotic. As is the argument that Gosling should play just to rest Cabaye. Several premier league players, including Ramsey and Adam have played more minutes than Cabaye, and that's just in the league, he wouldn't be in a top 20 of minutes played in all competitions by premier league players taking into account cup and European matches.

    In summary, the Pardew can handle a squad. Had we played a worse first team, we would have lost more games, therefore he's managed the squad well. Having a rotated squad of slightly less tired players in the bottom five would be a failure of the manager.
     
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  19. Smudger

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    Is it? I thought they just didnt rate him.
     
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  20. Clarence Acuna

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    Out of interest, how many players have we cashed in on so far?
     
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