Or indeed Farage who wants to emulate him. At least Starmer and Macron were doing it for the good of their countries ( being diplomatic), but both still fact checked him and also told him there would need to be an American backstop.
I always thought the thread would come from the East, but it’s looking more possibly coming from the West.
Emotions aside, Trump has said that the Ukraine is responsible for starting the war in the first place. I’m curious to know his reasoning for that conviction. How did Ukraine start it? By simply BEING there? Also, what is it the yanks want Zelenskyy to apologise for? They asked him if he was going to apologise - but what is he supposed to have done? Not wearing a suit?
I thought Zelensky was a bit naive in allowing his meeting to be held in front of the cameras as that only meant one thing and that was an attempt at public humiliation by the Trump gestapo. All meetings of this type being held during a time of war should be in private so as to eliminate a spectacle as it was yesterday in the White House but I was glad to see Zelensky stick to his agenda because I think he already knew that what Trump was offering was a one way deal to benefit the U.S.A. and nowhere near to what Ukraine wants. Putin is smiling from ear to ear as his soul mate single handedly has brought the world to the brink of further escalation without a single thought given to the ordinary folk who don't want conflict of any kind. The mineral deal was always going to be heavily in favour of the U.S. despite all of the promises offered by Trump and he constantly said that Ukraine could not afford to pass up this super deal. Zelensky obviously saw he had been set up and faced a firing squad made up of mostly Trump supporters asking virtually impossible questions to answer with vitriolic follow-up. Europe has stepped up to support Ukraine but difficult days are ahead if the U.S. breaks from NATO, and if that happens I truly believe that Russia will invade another small country such as Latvia or Moldova to test the resolve of what's left of NATO hoping Trump will play no part. There is another matter on the table and that is Trump's threats towards Canada and how he thinks we should become the 51st state which of course could be a disaster for us up here in the north. Google Maps labelled all Provincial Parks across Canada as State Parks as they do south of the border and they have now agreed to change that glaringly offensive dictate to soothe us somehow, but of course you know who could change that with a stroke of his marker pen which makes his signature look bigger and bolder than most others- the egotistical chump.
On the apology front you have to remember that Trump never forgets who gave him problems in the past and it is all wrapped up in the case against Hunter Biden and Trump's possible collusion with Putin. Trump was looking for any dirt on both Biden's during a possible house vote for impeachment against himself and Zelensky point blank refused to do any deal and that has led to a lifetime hate on ever since. Trump will carry all of his hatred for certain people, especially anyone who won't do his bidding at once or who actually fights back, and this is a classic case where Trump would have been more than willing to get dirt from Zelensky to save his arse. For the crime of refusing to make up lies to save Trump's back end he is now being hung out to dry as retribution for being honest and I would not put it past Trump to do something radical either against Zelensky or Ukraine to gain the win he so desperately wants to show how good he is to this world.
It could have been handled better I’m sure there will be further talks America and Americans want this war to end on another continent that they have no interest in paying for And all the while, we and every other European nation have had our heads in the sand and shrunk our military to the degree we have next to nothing Thankfully America haven’t been so irresponsible
I'll bet the warmth Starmer gave Zelensky today was approved by Trump. Trump wants Ukraine minerals and he's playing Starmer. Starmer should grow some, we're not shackled by the EU thank goodness, and use our position to a trade benefit.
Russia claim they feel threatened by Ukraine wanting to join NATO, they say that’s why they invaded Ukraine to stop it. It’s bolox, but that’s what they say. Russia have obviously told Trump they won’t enter into negotiations to end the war unless it’s completely off the table.
America hold all the cards Ukraine haven’t got the muscle to argue If Zelensky thinks he’s going to have much of a say in things without the war dragging on for another 3 years he’s mistaken In 1991 Ukraine had some 1;900 nuclear warheads They gave them up for peaceful reasons but only us and America have stood by them since Russia invaded The rest of Europe have done very litre and should be ashamed of themselves
Ashton We're not exposed to Tariffs as the EU. Starmer could help in Trump's quest of Ukraine minerals by getting Zelensky back to the White House. Trump's always looking for a deal, Starmer should request payback and get a favourable trade deal from Trump. Bu**er the EU, they're only up our backside because of our,albeit limited, military strength.
Ukraine aren’t going to sign anything unless it includes some form of guarantee if Russia decides to ignore their end of the agreement. Bearing in mind they’ve already done it several times, you can’t blame them.
It remains to be seen about tariffs and a trade deal, Trump was non commital, he didn’t rule it out but didn’t rule it in either. As for Starmer getting Zelensky back to the whitehouse I’m sure he’s trying, but I think you’re overestimating our influence over Trump. Imo Europe has to find a way of convincing Trump they’ll do the hard lifting to keep the peace, but will need the U.S.A. to act as a kind of guarantor should Russia break their end of the bargain.
Trump always uses threats and demands as his first line of discussion when it comes to international issues such as the Ukraine/Russia war, and so there has never been a doubt in my mind Trump and his entire team, right down to the hand picked reporters who witness this debacle, treated Zelensky like a criminal and that's a joke as most in the room should be locked up, especially his truly. There is nothing more Trump wants but a discourse amongst European nations, and all of his antics in the Oval Office were a farce in trying to humiliate Ukraine into submission on a brokered sell-off of their valuable resources probably hoping that some others in Nato would prefer Trump's plan but Europe has to stay united to stand up to another despicable dictator in waiting. The world is at a dangerous crossroad again but where do we and the rest of the world go from here?
I’m furking fuming more off our money 2.5 billion gone to Ukraine and we have open borders and our own are to go without. JUST IN - Rachel from Accounts signing away UK taxpayers money to Zelensky https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1895912020228391352/video/1
Zelensky has said he would sign the minerals deal with Trump and three times he then backs out Zelensky was rolling his eyes and behaving in a very childish petulant spoilt expectant dismissive way He called Vance a bitch... apparently in Russian And then said to a reporter he'd get a suit that was better than his and less cheap And people are saying Trump and Vance were the issue They were very restrained. Again it was like dealing with a moody teenager with their arms crossed and not listening. And Trump kept trying to get the chat back on track . I'm sick of hearing the msm sharing their chosen little clips of the longer conversation and manipulating the public again to think it was all Trump. This is why so many actually loved the fiesty discussion. We want more real Less scripted More passion More feelings I don't blame people for having views that I find beyond ignorant and blind. I blame the manipulative biased propaganda machine that is the press and the people who own them and pull their strings. Team Trump
BUMHOLE VANCE said VZ should show some respect to the president ... really he should pinch his cheeks together and think before he fartz out more drivel ... how many times has Chumby Trump had little or no respect for the previous POTUS Joe Biden! Is there a sinister background scheme at hand? By building up a lot of anguish and bear baiting is Bumhole looking to get the present POTUS kicked out so he step into his shoes?
In your previous post you complained about having to find extra funds for Ukraine, that’s due to Trump wanting Europe (that’s us), increasing our defence spending. ( by the way I agree with him on this). In fairness to Trump he’s been saying it since his last term in office. Therefore you shouldn’t be surprised that’s what we are going to have to do, spend more on defence. I’m sorry but to try to spin the debacle in the white house as anything other than Zalensky being bullied by both Trump and Vance is not facing reality. Both Starmer and Macron had already told Trump in their meetings with him Ukraine would need some kind of backstop agreement from the USA, it was obvious he wasn’t going to sign anything without one. Trump chose not to hear, but straight batted them away. Putting all that to one side delicate negotiations like that should have been done behind closed doors. To attack him as they did showed a lack of class. Vance was the one that started it. He goaded Zelenskyy, who possibly could have maybe ignored him rather than trying to debate, but let’s not forget his Country has been invaded by an aggressor, his people are dying by their thousands and he’s been in danger of his country being overtaken. Who can blame him for being annoyed with being lecturied by VP Vance. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN THAT POSITION. It was a disgrace.
