Off Topic Politics Thread

Agree that Trump started out by keeping things fairly friendly, albeit with condescending and patronising comments such as "he got all dressed up" thrown in too.

However, it was Vance that escalated matters, accused Zelenskyy of not saying thank you and took it from a normal conversation to verging on shouting.

Zelenskyy then called Vance out on raising his voice, at which point Trump got involved as he knew it made Vance (US) look weak to be called out.

Perhaps Zelenskyy should have chosen his words more carefully when calling Vance out - but you can't deny it was Vance that changed the narrative here.

 

I think their policy is a carve up and fire sale of the country’s remaining assets. Which, given the damage in that direction already wrought by Margaret Thatcher, only really leaves the NHS.

 

Never thought the far right would be back in such force across the world, yet here we are. Louder and more belligerent than ever, and already shouting about WWIII.

 

No, sorry Os. You're right in saying that the meeting was going fine, but it was Vance that escalated it and turned it into the ****show it became, not Zelenskyy.

 

Signed and shared.

 

Sorry but misread this and thought the first sentence referred to Trump’s position on Ukraine.

The Trump administration is just looking to exploit a terrible situation to it's financial.advantage.

 

I see the singular Not606 nazi sympathiser can’t see the woods for the trees. Disgraceful.

 

Whatever your opinion is, this should not happen in front of the media. They're making it a drama, intentionally. Politics are changing and alliances are shifting but this is not how a democracy should handle political disagreements. At the very least, it's unprofessional... But with the Russian journalist there too, this can be seen as a lot more sinister.

 

The Democrats need to sort their **** out, that's for sure. Or the Republican's for that matter.

This is interesting from a retired US Admiral:
https://x.com/i/status/1895668883371311169

 

Absolutely, sinister indeed. These are not statesman. I think his treatment was disgusting.

 

US Ambassador to Denmark asked if Putin started the Ukraine war had a alternative offering ...that "Biden started the war"

 

Confirmation that we need to be strengthening our links to Europe and minimising our exposure to the US …

Whilst bearing in mind our need to maintain diplomatic links in our own interests

I think this is already Starmer’s approach anyway to an extent

 

I was talking about Reform U.K.

All part of the same sinister web of international oligarchs though tbf.

 

Labour have said they won’t be chasing every headline, especially when it comes to Trump. Which is a wise tactic imo, but it’s ironic that for the first time since last July they finally got some good headlines, then Trump publicly sets fire to any goodwill accrued In transAtlantic relations.

 

They do have policies. Some of which a lot of people would agree with if it was a blind manifesto read and you didn't know it was reform.

Whether their funding calculations are realistic is another question.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o.amp

 

Has Starmer said anything about Trump becoming a full fledged Russian stooge?

 

As others have said, whatever your political views I feel what happened is pretty indefensible.

This has been played out as political drama in public. This isn’t an TV show it is real lives. Millions of them.

All of this should happen behind closed doors. To do it in front of the world media and to practically ambush a guy who is under so much pressure as his country is at war is disgusting.

The US aren’t interested in peace, but in what suits them and it is turning into another dick swinging competition ‘my help is better than yours’.

How friggin condescending to get Volenskyy like a child to say thank you! Who the **** do the US think they are. Other nations do it maybe for political reasons, but also because it is the right thing as human beings.

Losing more respect for the US people that could actually vote for a regime like this every day.

 

Not the topic du jour, but good news on small boats and emphasis on saving migrants lives and stopping/prosecuting the actual criminals involved

“Can the tide turn on the Channel migrant boat crossings?”https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39vjnpxy1wo

 

Let’s not forget that Putin has been behind a swathe of the immigrants the right hate so much. Very clear evidence he has deliberately moved migrants through Russia and into Europe as a destabilising effort. He has been playing the whole world like a fiddle.

 

Not helped by some cretin insulting him about his dress code. It was the combination of bullying by Vance and Trump that did the damage. No diplomatic protocol there. It's great to see someone brave enough to stand their ground. The US are clearly only interested in making money out of the Ukraine, the human element doesn't come in to it in my opinion.