Off Topic What is a woke thing?

Which makes it even crazier that words like 'woke' are part of the political discourse.

 

I think there's two parts to this, and your 100% correct so don't take this any way but that.

But there's always going to be the outliers where someone's used an incorrect name/pronoun and the other party has taken it far too personally. There was a push to try and classify misgendering as a hate crime for example and instances like that will get people feeling like they're being punished for no real reason.

The other part, quite often the part that riles people is that it it's often not even those who have changed their identity who get angry, often random strangers want to look the most accepting and this get angry for what really doesn't affect them.

Imagine if someone got your name wrong accidentally and whilst you tried to politely remind them some randomer you don't even know calls the other person a right wing gammon, suddenly the conversation isn't about your name or the reasons behind it, it's two people shouting at each other who it doesn't really concern to begin with!

On a slight tangent, again coming from pure ignorance rather than malice- when did we get to the point where people are changing genders based on what appears to be their hobbies and interests?

Gender dysphoria is obviously a thing, but I'm sure it's not as prevelant as social media makes it look, and i was brought up in the 'girls can like action man and boys can like barbie' school days and it seems to have gotten to be 'a boy who likes barbie is really a girl and they should be treated as such'. The pivot baffles me... And i think thats where a lot of push back comes from.

 

Which confirms that you are not qualified to diagnose or treat mental illness, which along with other parts you snipped, was my comment.

 

Yeah the issue has become about polar opposites arguing with each other so viciously it attracts people in the middle to join in and I don’t think that help anyone.

 

Fact is, most of us identify with the same issues, have more in common than not but our differences in how to resolve them are being amplified quite intentionally to make finding a common consensus virtually impossible.

It's misdirection to consolidate control.

 

Priveledge is relative though TT. If you'd been a black kid brought up at those times you can bet your life that their circumstances would have been worse than yours, and when it came to getting a job at 15, you'd likely have found one, the black kid wouldn't. Because he's black.

 

No I largely agree with most of your points. Some of the extremes have been exploited by people with ill intentions. It’s totally discarding the genuine people as well.

 

Would it be reasonable for me to demand everyone uses the nomenclature, "Your Imperial Majesty and my ultimate master", when referring to me. And they MUST accept my superiority because that's how I define myself.

 

That's absolutely fine, just as long as you rename the Humber estuary the 'Gulf of Hull'.

 

Not in Hull at the time. I only knew two black lads when I left school in 1970 and I worked alongside them. I didn't even realise they were black until I attended their weddings and met their parents and families. We were just working class kids getting along as best we could. I also worked in a local foundry when I was 18 for a few years and no-one knew who was black or white until we came out of the showers at the end of the shift. I knew plenty of white lads who couldn't get a job because they didn't want one, and still don't.

 

I know some long standing trannies, and they hate the people that demand all these pronouns and unquestionable acceptance. Same with some gays too. They've lived a relatively peaceful life, living it in their own way, but now find themselves lumped in with people trying to make a point rather than a realistic lifestyle choice.

 

Woke / Gammon - A pejorative word, phrase, slur, or derogatory term is a word or grammatical form expressing a negative or disrespectful connotation, a low opinion, or a lack of respect toward someone or something. It is also used to express criticism, hostility, or disregard...

 

So did the white honkys. It was comedy in 1975. Switch over or turn it off, it wasn't compulsory to watch it, and I didn't.

 

It would have to declare its own pronouns. Them's the rules.

 

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I’d be interested to hear if that’s because of those ones that are abusing it. I imagine it would be given as you say they’re getting lumped in with the LGBTQ slander

 

I’ve seen some radical feminists frame transgender women in particular as doing the gender equivalent of black face and essentially being an insulting caricature of women and accessing women’s spaces without enduring the tribulations associated with being a woman from birth. Transgender people would then argue they just want to live their life with an identity they can finally feel comfortable with. I can see where both sides are coming from, to be honest. It’s not really as simple as pithy slogans like ‘trans women are women’ or ‘no biological males in women’s spaces’. There’s a lot of nuance to this that makes it more complicated than LGB rights, which is sexuality instead of gender identity.

 

Wouldn't it still be 'the'?

 

Absolutely, quite often people just trying to live their lives get dragged into things that often they don't even agree with.

Pride events in America seem to have become an oversexualised kink fest and a lot of the gay people i know think it's weird as ****