Off Topic What is a woke thing?

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you’re free from the responsibility and consequences of offending or hurting someone.

Also, those examples from the 60s, 70s, and 80s show that things have actually become more relaxed over time, not stricter.

 

If people are constantly watching what they say in case they offend someone, then not a great deal will get said, as people can take "offence" at almost anything you or I say

 

That article is certainly not being acted upon in the schools where my wife works. They have been told to find alternatives to the books in question.

 

What a load of me me me ****e.
But that is what this thread is all about isn't it?

And I still have 3 or more pages to trawl through. Though, I must admit I am sort of multi tasking. Reading this, and remembering some of my favourite Chubby Brown jokes.

 

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-parents-defend-woke-headteacher-19902187

 

The latter with the words changed.

Someone had a song a few years back Celo Green? (probably spelt the name wrong and might have the wrong person). Original is F*ck you - radio plays it as "Forget you"
Beautiful South, "Don't Marry her, F*ck me" is the original and is changed to "Have me" on the radio.

 

Personally, I feel that if the words someone chooses to use regularly offend many people, then they should think about whether they they’re using the wrong words.

No one is perfect: we all say the wrong things, we’re shaped by the social norms of our youth, and times change.

However, if someone chooses to continue to use the same hurtful words with intent and awareness of the harm they cause then they should expect that to affect the way that people see them.

 

That headteacher could be both a great headteacher, but wrong in this instance

 

TBF that's the first time I've talked about my work in that context, and maybe it was misjudged. I was just responding to a later comment essentially asking what I had done.

You can take this thread however you like. That's kind of why I like it, because it has the potential to throw up all sorts of views, and give insight into people's ways of thinking, which I'm always interested in.

 

That's just another way of saying 'you can't say anything nowadays!'. People who say that don't actually explain what's stopping them saying anything. Beyond a very limited legal framework around incitement to racial hatred or violence, there isn't anything stopping you saying anything, apart from the possible reaction of other people. If you want it to be a free country with free speech, then it should include the right for people to be offended, and the right for you to take no notice. It does seem like what people want is the right not to be criticised for being a dick.

 

Okay, I won't criticize you

 

To be fair, I think he's a pretty decent guy in general. Not sure I agree with him on this, but I can certainly see the idea behind modernising figures being championed to be people relevant to kids today.

I'm sure the decision to pick Rashford aged well.

 

Seriously. though, yes people might be offended by things you or I say. But it isn't a crime to offend someone. Politicians on the opposite side of the house probably offend each other with their views on a regular basis - but that should never stifle open debate and free speech

 

Chubby Brown has nigh on 60 upcoming gigs this year. Far from being miffed about one council shutting him down, I would suggest it gives him more gags to throw out. And possibly bums on seats to hear them.

JK Rowling, yes it is dificult to cancel someone with billions. Or even the young starlets who made tens of millions from the film roles. No idea why they ran scared.

But, yes, times have moved on. 40 years ago, a guy in a frock entered the same changing room/toilet as my daughter, carnage would have ensued. Now?? I would be prosecuted for even politely reminding him those facilities are for women.

 

Fair enough - but it is not being interpreted in that way on the ground. And because educational establishments are not interpreting the DoE statement correctly, then teachers and others are at least getting the impression that the books in question have been cancelled

 

Not sure if this is genuine
In the house of commons an MP making a speech was constantly being interrupted by an opposition MP. After a while he had had enough and said to his oppo " you have the manners of a pig" The speaker of the house intervened and said you have to retract that comment. Hmmm he thought, then said " I am very sorry my right honourable friend does not have the manners of a pig"

 

The Beautiful South recorded a Radio Edit vocal of Don’t Marry Her at the time of original recording as they knew it wouldn’t get airplay with the album lyrics. Nobodies changed the lyrics or cancelled the group latterly.