But I guess those players while not being terrible players from a quality perspective were incredibly injury prone, so it seemed that players were either not up to the level or just constantly injured. Signing Lincoln off the back of an ACL and a bit of time spent in Brazil was understandably met with skepticism.
My initial post referred to the players not being robust enough as one of the reasons we stopped recruiting as much from there. That's not a 'deflection'. My post was about those players not being a success for one reason or another.
Lincoln didn’t have “a bit of time” in Brazil, he played an entire season as a first team regular. If you think we shouldn’t sign players who have had long term knee injuries in their careers you are narrowing the pool considerably. No club would think that way, I suspect.
Not including Lincoln and Pedro, how many of Turkish league signings are still here now? Zero Tells you everything you need to know
I didn't say we shouldn't sign players post ACLs, I'm saying it contributed to the skepticism after the injury histories of a lot of the players we signed from Turkey. 28 games is just over half a Championship season. I don't think referring to that as 'a bit of time' is that inaccurate. Of those 28 he only started 19 by the way.
Sinik is permanelty crocked and Omur has been loaned out and very likely on his way out. As TB said, tells you everything you need to know. Pandur just about the only success story out of how many? Think the notion of flinging **** at a wall and seeing what sticks, or a broken clock come to mind.
I don’t recall many of them having notable “injury histories” when they signed - Traore yes, but the others had had pretty typical careers. Clearly a few have had notable injury issues since they signed, but none of us can predict the future.
No, but we can predict that players from the Turkish league are not necessarily robust enough to be thrown into a Championship season without the proper conditioning, based on the fact that we have found time and again. Which was the point I began with. There will always be exceptions, although even in someone like Tufan's case he had spent a season on loan at Watford before coming in. I can't think of any player we signed direct from a Turkish club who contributed much of note. If Lincoln proves a quality addition and we sign him permanently, then brilliant and great for us as we're bringing in a good player. No one's unhappy with that. Just explaining why there was a healthy dose of skepticism based on past results.
I think you are looking at this the wrong way. The ones that have had injuries while with us are the exceptions (Sinik, Allahyar for a while, Tetteh), most of the others have had perfectly normal injury records. Tufan and Omur were rarely injured, Oscar had one serious injury but was otherwise robust, Traore was reliable once he got over his training ground injury. Are you implying there is something inherently injury prone about the players we choose to sign from Turkey? If so, it doesn’t stand up in my view.
Are you now saying that most of the players we sign from Turkey are just no good? That clearly doesn’t stand up too, I can’t see that the hit rate in that cohort is any different to our wider pool of signings. Is it?
Oscar was signed from Portugal.. I'm not implying anything, I'm saying the vast majority of players we signed from Turkish were rubbish and left soon after with tufan the only exception.
"Gets" argumentative? I made a post and you disagreed with me. I backed up my point of view. That's how a discussion goes.
I’m in again. You spent several posts saying the players in question were injury prone when signed. They aren’t, appreciably, that’s clear. You then switched to saying “the vast majority” are rubbish. They aren’t. You offer no evidence, just post uppity passive aggressive “that’s what I said” messages. I don’t even think you know you are doing it. What a very odd situation. I’m out again.
