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Match Day Thread Newcastle United vs Arsenal - Matchday Thread - League Cup (Semi-Final 2nd leg)

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  1. BrunelGunner

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    Venue: St. James Park
    Date: Wednesday 5th February 2025
    KO time: 20:00 GMT

    Overall Record

    Wins: 85
    Losses: 71
    Draws: 39

    Last six meetings

    Arsenal 0-2 Newcastle United (League Cup)
    Newcastle United 1-0 Arsenal
    Arsenal 4-1 Newcastle United
    Newcastle United 1-0 Arsenal
    Newcastle United 0-2 Arsenal
    Arsenal 0-0 Newcastle United

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  2. cini65

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    1-4 to arsenal (Havertz, Martinelli, Gabriel, Trossard). Heard it here first.
     
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    Hi gents big ask

    got some friends up from work who are Arsenal fans and need two spares. Anyone got somewhere reliable to get them?
     
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  5. BrunelGunner

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    Unchanged XI from the Man City game.

     
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    **** me .

    Why do Newcastle always turn up against us - bet they get rolled over by Liverpool in a few weeks, for some reason it's always a ****ing Cup Final against Arsenal though. LMAO.

    Isak is class btw.
     
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    It's not just you we've beaten 3 of the current top 4 to get this far, and we've played the big six 9 times this season and only lost 1 with 2 draws.
     
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  9. cini65

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    To be fair everything I wrote was true. You heard that predicted scoreline there first.
     
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  10. BrunelGunner

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    Newcastle are an excellent side, and we had our work cut out for us after that 1st leg, so getting KO'd by them is no disgrace. But the way we got KO'd was. Could we not have at least played with a bit more pride and energy? We look exhausted. Maybe it's the consequence of the congested fixture list with the small squad (well, it is), but we should still have showed more fight in a cup semi-final, considering we haven't made a final since we last won the FA Cup. That's THREE times they've beaten us this season and we've not even landed a punch on them.

    We lost 4-0 on aggregate and they pretty much battered us in both legs (contrast to what some of the stats may show). That's not acceptable in a semi-final. Spurs had 11 first-team injuries, were 14th in the league yet still put in a better performance and beat Liverpool in the first leg. We have no excuse.

    I'm going to make a thread on our record in cup competitions since 2020. It really doesn't make for pretty reading. Arteta simply hasn't learned how to navigate cup games properly.
     
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    You're an excellent side, but I still maintain that Arsenal should not be losing to you in the exact same way each and every time. You've walloped us in 4 out of the last 5 meetings and Howe hasn't needed to do anything special tactically to do us over. He does the same thing each game and we lose the same way each time because Arteta doesn't know how to handle your team.

    Any team that presses M2M, that is adaptable enough to switch between a high-press and low-block, that can physically match us with athleticism and power, and can defend their box effectively, we will lose to a team with these qualities.

    We struggle against you far too many times than we should.

    If Arteta is as great as some people suggest he is, then he needs to find an answer to our woes against you lot. Especially at your ground.
     
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    Your team is undoubtedly better than ours. Not by some huge margin but better none-the-less. If we played excellently and knocked oyu out then it is what it is but last night we didn't play excellently (we were better in the first leg), we played well but nothing special. As you correctly say the issue is how you played, there just wasn't enough fight or effort. The stats are misleading as even just watching some highlights of last night shows we had the better of the game (even aside from the goals) but I guess things like the offside don't count as a shot or ExG.

    Disagree with the word walloped though! Last year we won 1-0 in a tight game (and let's be honest that goal was dodgy) and earlier this season it was 1-0 again (though a bit more comfortable). We've still got to play away to you this season in the league and suspect you've get some level of revenge.
     
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    I think our team is slightly better, and has had the benefit of having more time/team chemistry together, but there's a number of your players I would absolutely take in this Arsenal side.

    I do think we have suffered a bit from having a smaller squad and a congested January, but that's our own fault for not strengthening properly in the Summer and in January. All of Arteta's Summer signings were on the bench yesterday, which speaks volumes. Make stupid decisions, this is what the consequences are. You run your best players into the ground because you don't trust the signings you made? That's the price we have to pay.

    Really? I think you beat us pretty easily in the league fixture at SJP, you beat us comfortably at The Emirates in the 1st leg and you could have definitely scored more yesterday. The game we have left in the league feels like it's gonna be a bit of dead rubber. And I swear if you beat us 4 times in a season, I think I'll lose my damn mind <laugh>. Stylistically, Newcastle seem to be our kryptonite right now. Arteta's struggled a lot against you since Howe's joined.

    Good luck for the final, though. A Liverpool v Newcastle final is quite exciting (from a neutral POV). I think it's going to be a belter!
     
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    Fair - Interesting I think we've only been out-played twice this Season and both were against Newcastle.

    The other games we've lost have been fixtures that we dominated but ill discipline and/or poor decisions have got in the way.
     
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    Meh. In the league since Howe joined last three seasons, we've won 3, drawn 1 and lost 3. If we win at home that would be W4, D1, L3. Hardly say that Howe has 'got our number'. Newcastle have spent loads - almost as much as us. They're not some plucky underdog with limited resources like Bournemouth. They've got arguably the best striker in the world and have paid good money for some of the best players in their positions in the game in defence and midfield.

    The fact that Arteta gets scrutinized with a magnifiying glass while managers like Howe and Emery get glowing 'oooh you'd rather have him' nonsense from the media after one-off individual results is crazy. Media don't care when Newcastle lose two home games on the bounce to Bournemouth and Fulham. But get a result against Arsenal and suddenly Howe is a genius. He's lost more than a quarter of his league games with a very, very good squad. Meh.

    And same for Emery. Get a draw away a Arsenal and I see stories far and wide on how Emery is amazing and we were fools to get rid of him. Media don't care or mention it when Emery loses to Wolves, Monaco etc, are only point above Fulham or was garbage at PSG.

    Standalone results are blown out of all proportion in both directions. When it comes to managers of middling clubs who get one or two plucky results with their team fired up for their one or two games of the season against their 'nemesis' and the manager is a genius. If Newcastle played like they do against us every game of the season, they'd be top 4 easily. But they don't and they're not. A couple of wins against Arsenal isn't anything to worry about. We've beaten them more times than they've beaten us in the last five years. There's been MANY games this season where our underachieving attack achieves very little, creates little and doesn't score. Newcastle are just two of those. And it just so happens they're the team with the best striker in the world who nails us. Put Isak in every other team, and we would have had quite a lot less draws and quite a lot more losses too. That's on Isak, not Howe.

    We need to work out Isak and sort out our own attacking play far more than we need to work out to stop genius Howe's tactics.
     
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    We've not spend huge amounts in comparison with yourselves at all.?

    We're litterally 2 point's away from top 4, but it's going to take a while for some to acknowledge our presence.

    This season we've played 10 fixtures vs the big 6, and we've e won 7 drawn 2 and lost only 1.

    Oh and

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    'Acknowledge' your presence? Toon fans seem desperate to be noticed and to have a rivalry with at least someone. I don't think Arsenal really care about Newcastle anywhere near as much as Newcastle seem to care about Arsenal.

    Again, anyone can quote a few results to try and prove how great them or their manager is. Arsenal haven't lost against the traditional big 6 in the league in years. Doesn't really mean squat. Newcastle/Howe lose to far too many average teams than you should for the balanced squad and team you have. We have far bigger problems to resolve than our results against Newcastle. I don't see Newcastle as many of a club to take any notice of as Spurs or Villa.
     
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    I only corrected you on a few things and tried to draw your attention away from bewildering ignorance.

    You've got to be TY.
     
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    What have you corrected me on? Since Howe arrived, we have spent more than you but not much. Your net spend figures are nicely massaged by the inflated, fake fees you received for those fandoms no-one had heard of last summer and have since done nothing of note. But let’s not pretend that your team isn’t littered with big money purchases. You’re a few points from top 4, but that’s no big achievement with the best striker in the world. Spurs managed to do better than when they had Kane and whooped us regularly with him. DIdn’t make Spurs as a club or team anything to particularly worry about. Mainly just him and Son. And you point out that you’ve had some good results against better teams. What does that contradict in what I said? It reinforces the notion that Howe gets all the plaudits for masterminding some wins against good teams but is largely ignored when he gets naff results against loads of other teams.

    The day Newcastle play regularly like they did against us in the cup, against everyone and every week, and not just on the big occasions where your players get pumped up by your home crowd under the floodlights, is the day Newcastle might start getting acknowledged.

    Until then, you, and Villa under Emery, are just ‘big occasion’ teams that are annoying banana skins.
     
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    1. Spend, you're hundreds of millions out.
    2. Results the last 5 years vs Arsenal
    3. Levels of ignorance towards our performances vs other sides.

    I've also detected a little bit of an attitude, and referred to a glowing resemblence in your character to TY from AFCTV.

    Are you TY ?
     
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