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Match Day Thread Middlesbrough FC v Sunderland AFC – Monday 3rd February 2025 - KO 20:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Jan 30, 2025.

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Your Prediction:

  1. Home win

    10.8%
  2. Away win (safc)

    63.9%
  3. Draw

    25.3%
  1. samwise_new

    samwise_new Well-Known Member

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    agreed and i wish a few more would say they were wrong.

    we also have to remember that KLD is still young and learning, mistakes have certainly been made (as they would with any owner) but the overall signs show they are being learned from and that is the important part, this club is currently growing from close to administration and i hope they all make it...after all, we all want the same end result.
     
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  2. rowley

    rowley Well-Known Member

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    Yep both at fault a bit. But this happens to all teams who play this way a lot. City, Arsenal, Liverpool and others have all conceded goals like this, City two on Sunday. Coaches think it is largely worth the risk. As long as we vary it a bit, which we try to and can with Wilson an outlet, it's a price worth paying for me, even if we all go nuts at the time.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere near as many as us.

    Most of the first twenty minutes was Boro lashing shots in that Patterson would’ve probably saved if they were on target or not blocked.

    It’s not like they had one on one’s, with the keeper, or cutbacks to unmarked players. I suppose it depends what you see as a wonderful chance …

    … TBF I didn’t hear the commentators saying ‘he should’ve buried that’ or ‘it was a sitter’.
     
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  4. rowley

    rowley Well-Known Member

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    That is them most games. I've watched them a few times and they don't defend well at all, they've let a lot of goals in for a team in the hunt.
     
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  5. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    I had a wry smile on my face reading the defence of Jobe for his part. He tried to play on the half turn in a dangerous area and got it wrong. It is risk reward play. The reality is we want players to take these risks, more and more, because the rewards are so very high. Both Jobe and Dan are elite at half turn play, but at times it will be pinched, I applaud the desire to keep doing it.

    When coaching young lads we teach them to pass to teammates even if they are closely marked. We build confidence in lads to receive it in tight situations and look after it. I appreciate the risk in your own half, but now are seeing the resurgence of this so called high press, which was around in the 70s too, we need players who can look after a ball into feet more and more. It is how we can play through, because playing over is less effective, albeit not to be ignored. Jobe was slow to react, by probably no more than half a second, that is the margin.
     
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  6. Frazier the Lion

    Frazier the Lion Well-Known Member

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    Having watched back a few times I don't even think the pass was all that terrible. Not perfect at all, but I'd probably place the majority of the blame with Jobe in his reaction to it IMO. And even then, that act of using his strength is one that Jobe has used to great effect time and again this season. It was reasonable for him to back himself. Just the execution was a bit off.
     
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  7. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Spot on FellTop. I’ve lost count of the number of times this season that Dan Neil and Jobe have created space, started an attack or bought a foul doing exactly what you are saying.

    One time on Monday against Boro, Jobe received the ball with three players touch tight and turned the three of them inside out taking them out of the game, it’s what our game is built on.
     
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  8. Scout73

    Scout73 Well-Known Member

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    100% the risk is actually worth it because Jobe is usually so good in these situations. If he turns Morris then both Boro's CMs are ahead of the ball and we have the space to exploit
     
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  9. safc-noggieland

    safc-noggieland Well-Known Member

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    Excuse me lads, l like a bit of match analysis as much as anyone else.
    However we are in overkill over whose mistake led to their second goal. As l see EVERY goal ever scored is as a direct result of an error.
    Had we scored that - ‘ it was a great tackle, turnover or interception by us’.
    As l said analysis and introspection is no bad thing - but soooo many times ?
    I am still glowing 36 hours later :1980_boogie_down:
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I could understand more if it had cost us the game, could be proven one way or the other or hadn't been well performed a hundred times before.

    I'm sure the two players are still cracking on about it and discussing how to avoid it again ...

    ... but secretly blaming each other <laugh>

    It'll no doubt happen again this season, either in our favour or against us.

    We did the same for all three of our goals and that's what happens when two teams press each other.

    The only mistake that matters is when the Boro player whacked the ball into the wrong net.
     
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  11. 123Daveyboy

    123Daveyboy Well-Known Member

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    Name any world class player to not have made a mistake.
     
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  12. Robref62

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    Don Goodman did, but of course he buried every single chance he had.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised he doesn't get a clip from some of the players he digs out for missing difficult chances or not making a run into the box.

    He forgets some of us watched him play <laugh>
     
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  14. rowley

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    Even I can see this. No coaching expertise at all and my playing days were at best, "agricultural".

    But it's there to see. Neil is very good now at this, but even he will get nabbed sometimes . Even Rhodri does, they all do. All about everyone being tuned in to mop up if it happens. And they all let goals in doing it, it's just that these goals stand out more than giving the ball away cheaply with endless balls hoofed seventy yards up the pitch and enduring the pressure which that invites.

    As with most things, variety is the key IMO
     
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  15. rowley

    rowley Well-Known Member

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    True. But at least he was a CF. That bloody Hinchcliffe is nauseating. A full back and centre half, nowt ower at either and he delivers lectures on how skilled internationals should have " kept it down" or " placed it in the corner". I have to switch it almost silent when he is on.
     
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  16. Robertson

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    About the Boro own goal, how sweet did Giles connect with the ball?

    Minimal backlift but it flew into the net. Lovely finish. The move leading up to it wasn't bad either.
     
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  17. RTB

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    He shinned it to be fair <laugh><laugh>
     
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  18. FellTop

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    It is great we have had coaches who have encouraged lads to keep doing it, even when it goes wrong. We get the rewards now. At times us supporters moan and groan about it when it goes wrong, but it is a massive part of how we want to play and the upsides are massive.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    He's absolutely appalling.

    How stupid to say ‘he should’ve kept it down’ when it’s just gone over the bar …

    ... yes, why on earth didn’t he think of doing that <doh>

    And the latest is ‘just about’.

    They all keep saying it, as in ‘The keeper just about managed to stop that going in.

    No, he actually did stop it going in.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    All he had to do was avoid the ball and let it go harmlessly past him …

    … but the speed of the ball, plus Jobe and Mayenda flying in totally confused him.

    It was wonderful seeing the faces of the Boro fans behind the goal, especially when Jobe flapped his paw at them <laugh>
     
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