Off Topic Social Media and the death of Twitter

It's not just easier to blame immigrants, it's a far more tangible and seemingly easy answer to a nation's problems (the word "seemingly" doing a lot of heavy lifting there) than breaking the backs of multi billionaires in order to get even a fraction of their wealth back into the system.

The combined wealth of all the billionaires in Britain rose by £35m a day last year, enough to cover the entirety of Manchester in £10 notes one and a half times over. How many years would you have to work to earn £1,000,000? Multiply that number by 35. It took those people a day to increase their collective value that much. That should piss off every single person on the planet, regardless of whether they are British or not and that's before we get to the ones in the Middle East, USA and China.

Now, not only are the wealthy getting richer, they're also getting into legitimate governmental positions that influence us even more. They've gone from being background boogeymen to being foreground ****faces. Immigrants aren't the enemy, every single one is an ally against that set of ****s.

 

What absolute bollocks, even if it was just on housing it would free up a few million houses thereby pushing rent prices down meaning people would have more money in there pocket to spend in the economy, the only people that benefit at present are the wealthy landlord types you despise.

It would free up housing for native born British to actaully get on the housing ladder either buying or renting, how can 60% of social housing in London going to non British benefit the country ?

Also it would stop the need to build over the countryside, you do understand we cannot keep doing that for ever right ?

To say it would not cut down on rapes, murder or money laundering on every high street is totally disingenuous also.

 

It's not an either or problem.
Multiple issues need addressing.
And yes, we have deep issues with 'our own'. If we didn't spend so much resource on those who shouldn't be here then we might have a chance of sorting out own problems (like 40odd k on terror watch lists, the majority of whom shouldn't be roaming our streets, or £8million (or whatever the actual figure is) every single day, or allowing & policing ridiculous protests that have near **** all to do with us attended by many people who despise us). F'in madness

 

Our population has gone up by ten million in the last 20 years
With no increase in the infrastructure
You’re talking a lot of hot air

 

That isn't how the housing market works pal. If you evict all of the people currently living in those houses, they get sold off to whoever can buy them. At the moment, nobody under the age of 25 is in a position to buy a house in London outside of those in very high earning jobs, which is barely anybody. Which leaves property developers and landlords. Landlords aren't going to lower rent because people will pay whatever they charge, they always have and property developers exist to buy houses and sell them for profit, not do strangers a favour for the good of the nation. You can't stop that from happening no matter how much you tax them because their wealth is substantial enough for them to take the hit and carry on.

This idea that all the empty houses will magically be filled by poor, downtrodden Tiny Tim like Brits is ****ing ridiculous, in what reality would that ever happen in a city where the average cost of a house currently stands at £678,000?! And even if by some miracle a few million houses suddenly became available, the people in them would still be poor because they aren't making enough money in line with the cost of living, notably because the types of people who need to live in social housing aren't working in six figure jobs.

You're right, we can't build over the countryside forever. So you ask farmers why they're accepting money for land from property developers to build houses on. They're allowed to say no, it is an option.

As for the claim it would "cut down on rapes, murder et al", well. If your issue is the nationality of the murderer and not the fact that murder in general is taking place, that speaks for itself. Check the prison population's statistics on ethnicity and background, you're much more likely to be murdered by a family member than you are an immigrant. Murder isn't caused by the nation you were born in; there's no religion or country where murder is legal, it's down to the individual and circumstances ultimately decide how that pans out. In terms of homicide, 2024 was actually the lowest year for homicide since 2016, so the idea that there's some sort of rampant murder spree going on is bullshit. On top of that, the homicide stats for last year indicate that for both men and women, the killer was most likely to be somebody they knew and in the case of women, it was overwhelmingly a partner or ex partner.

1 in 2 rape cases reported by women were from partners and ex partners. 6 out of 7 reported rapes against women were against somebody they knew.

So in the case of rape and murder, let's be honest, do those statistics (from the Home Office and Rapecrisis UK repsectively) suggest that immigrants are largely responsible for violent crime in this country? Or does it suggest that actually, there's an inherent problem with men and their attitudes towards women as a gender that results in the increased likelihood of VC? As the father of two young girls and somebody who was once a young man myself, I'm going to speak from experience and say it's unequivocally the latter.

We can't keep doing this. Whatever media you're consuming, whether it's X or Telegram or whatever, it's poison. Those stats I posted are just one google search away, how has that need for verification died a death in the face of an addiction to anger and bloodlust?

 

Right, so why hasn't there been an increase in infrastructure to match the rising population?

 

You’re flailing away trying to drag all sorts into this and it’s quite transparent

 

Nope, I'm addressing his points as they come. It's not as though I've done this about ten thousand times in the last decade, I've had plenty of practice.

The only things I mentioned in that post were in the context of the points Newland made, save for the plea at the end about media consumption, which I'll happily expand to half this ****ing board given how this thread has gone. That's all, nothing flailing, nothing random.

 

As is normally the case, a host of reasons...although increasing the infrastructure for that sort of population explosion in such a time frame is virtually impossible for a country like ours!

 

You're not the first to have said that.

 

The rich are getting richer and us working and middle classes are getting poorer. But we argue amongst ourselves.

It's exactly what they want to distract us from the issues and keep us in our place.

IMO

 

In the 1950s 1.5 million council houses were built plus all those built by the private sector. Where there's a will there's a way.

 

Our own tend not to run rape gangs that rape thousands of ours, nor do they tend to blow up our own, nor do they behead, nor do ours tend to have values that are so contradictory to what we supposedly hold dear, nor do ..well you get the gist. Yes, there's big problems with our own without adding hundreds of thousands that shouldn't be here, that bring a whole **** bag of problems that we really can't cope with and shouldn't have to put up with and that with many we don't even know who and what the **** they are. We are absolute mugs and it's beyond ridiculous. And yes we know the above doesn't apply to all, far from it, but you seem to be ignoring reality of what is happening, being an apologist, turning a blind eye, being naive, whatever. Wake up.

 

But Chazz gave a period of 20 years. So that's about 440,000 new humans a year give or take since 2004.

20 years is quite a substantial amount of time, it's practically an entire generation of people, so as we've gone along, why hasn't there been investment in the infrastructure of the nation? It's not as though population numbers are a secret, practically every western country has seen a population rise since 2004. New Zealand, for example, has seen their population rise by 20% in the same time frame. South Korea, a nation who in 2004 had a population 11m less than that of the UK, has seen an increase in their population by 4 million people, but their country is two and a half times smaller than ours. They've coped well enough and they on the whole embrace immigration. We're a richer country than they are, our GDP is more than double theirs. So why is it they've managed and we haven't?

 

Big brush incoming to this thread, while the rat's ermmm cat's away the mice will play.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

Except, our own DO rape to a degree that eclipses rape gangs. Our own DO murder and torture and blow things up. We are a nation full of ****wits that outnumber the entire Muslim population of this country, but here's the thing.

The people you and I are referring to, on an individual level, are responsible for their own actions. Why is it that when it's a Muslim who does it, an entire religion and it's adherents are held responsible, but when a Christian murders three girls in Southport, they have mental health issues and acted alone? Or when a British man sets off nail bombs designed to specifically kill LGBTQ, black and Hindu people, they end up on a psychiatrists waiting list and there's crickets from the Church of England? Why is it that the values of a religion dictate how a criminal is viewed in your eyes? Why are some faiths held to a higher standard than others based on where they originated?

Because aside from playing for the Scousers, what has Mo Salah ever done wrong? Riz Ahmed, Kayvan Novak, Amir Khan, all successful, all seemed to have integrated just fine into UK society. Scores of school children across the country apparently have to take the strain when a person who follows Islam commits a horrendous crime, yet I'll bet you not one of them kicks the **** out of somebody because a 14 year old white lad murdered another kid.

It's a deliberate double standard and it's got to stop.

 

The Tories were in power then.

 

Where there's a will, there's a relative.

 

They made the choice to let Councils build Council housing and the Tories since Thatcher haven't.

 

That was just a noise!