the clubs are literally the PL now the PL will have some money for everyday expenses but the legal costs of taking on City could end up being huge - see the hacked e-mails for confirmation
Yeah, it all comes put of the available pot of money they all want. Thr more city sue and bring the most expensive lawyers in the more they all lose.
I'm sure there's something in the PL's constitution that you can't go to the CAS? You can not put anything in company laws that bar you access from civil laws though. I'm sure that's what I remember from the late Tobes (Better Call Tobes, as I used to call him ).
Running up the legal costs clock is the oldest trick in the book. Basically, it's how the state broke the first civil cases brought by the Hillsborough families against Duckenfield and Wright (and why Private Eye has had to throw in the towel many times over the decades). But the Prem is very rich too, and City have to be taught a lesson that no matter what costs they run up, they will pay for them in the end, and they will be deducted from their transfer/wages budget.
Totally right here, Bisc. If City try to price justice and integrity out of the system it then becomes an existential issue for the body itself - does it have the right to do what it set itself up to do? If it doesn't, then the European Super League is back on again, and I confidently predict that if that happens it will become a European/North American super league within a decade. I still think City will get out of this, don't get me wrong, but they can't be allowed to simply money their way out of it, especially after Forest and Everton were punished for far, far less. If they do then there is no credibility in the Prem, or possibly even the FA as well.
If they don't get relegated multiple tiers or at least kept out of Premier League for several years, then it has made all the rule breaking by City worthwhile for them. They've had over a decade to build their club, relegating them once (or not relegating them at all) will be a slap on the wrist considering all they've done (a hard slap, but still just a slap), the championship for just one season is hardly a punishment when they've been able to benefit for decades and can just go right back to the top of the league again the next season with the same players who they cheated to bring to the club. They should be kept out of the Premier League for at least as long as the longest contract for a player that they have- or their cheating has still been a net-benefit for them and others will just follow suit in the future. If they have someone on their books for 4 years, they should be kept out for 4 years. If they have someone on the books for 5, it should be 5. I don't even care if they strip titles or not (and City probably won't either)- they've already had the glory, and had the benefits of being champions and how that impacts transfers, incoming sponsors, etc... you can only remove a title from the history books, you can't remove the benefit of that. And I certainly don't want any refurbished title from a season we finished second when City cheated. Medium (or longer) term banishment from the Premier League is the only just punishment.
Seriously, say I was a megalomaniac billionaire ruler of a despotism and I bought a club, let's say "Bumface FC" just to keep it neutral and keep our feelings about certain teams neutral. I would absolutely think it fine and dandy being able to cheat and win titles and trophies galore for two decades even if after all that time the Premier League decided to eventually strip Bumface FC of them. I'd have a good laugh and know I had enjoyed the glory and positive PR it brought to my Despotism. Heck, and now it will be easier for Bumface to win new titles in the future, because after all those good years, now we're known as a big team and can bring big names to Bumface. Strip Bumface of titles, it doesn't matter, we've already benefitted from them. Thank you Manchester City, for being showing Bumface the blueprints for how to make a team big and reap the benefits of it whilst cheating.
It is all about despotlands reputation and look at me syndrome In the same way as the french bummers fc have owners who have hamas leaders hiding out there and pretend to care about solvingnworldnpewce by.holding pointless talks with zero chance of success or even more hilariously host COP and talk about climate chance while selling oil at the event. Owning the French bummers really covers their tracks and gives them great kudos.
I think differently - I really do want them to be stripped of their titles. I'm not interested in us getting them by default, but I really think the record needs to reflect the reality and they shouldn't have ill-gotten gains to their name. The glory will turn sour pretty quickly if the players all have to return their medals and have them struck from the record. If City are found guilty and allowed to retain their titles it would be like catching a bank-robber and putting them in jail but letting them keep the money.
Yeah, you're right - it's Lance Armstrong territory here: strip the ****ers of everything, but it doesn't go to anyone else. A lasting memorial of a vacuum that signifies unrestricted greed and corruption.
I'm not opposed of them being stripped... but I don't think that that by itself would be much of a punishment, certainly not a fitting punishment.
Stripping titles is not about city or players. Those chests are like lance Armstrong. They simply don't care. Forcing titles to be stripped is embarrassing for the FA, the premier league and uefa. Can you imagine the embarrassment of having half thr titles of the past decade vacated. Having the fa cup vacated? The questions about how they let this happen? The ownership rules would then have to be tightened massively even though the horse has bolted. This is about stopping the next one along imo. Not really about punishing city par se
Didn't say they had. They have voted on things like dodgy sponsorship deals though and clubs clearly sided with Man City. As much as I'd like to believe ALL clubs would go against Man City, they won't.
It has to be both, surely? Only by handing out a severe punishment can you deter others from trying the same tricks. As has been mentioned, even relegation won't stop them from storming back up again. As for the embarrassment to the PL, it might be worth that for them to signal that they are making a stand against corruption and that would only improve their image in the long run.
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