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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Rangers

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Dec 11, 2024.

  1. BrunelGunner

    BrunelGunner Well-Known Member
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    Serious question. About a month and a half or so ago, I saw a comment from you along the lines of "we'll be fine this season" (I'm paraphrasing and can't remember after which game it was). But the implication was that you had belief in the manager and in most of your players to have a decent season.

    Reading through some of your comments now though, you don't seem to share that same confidence. And although you've not explicitly said you want Postecoglou gone, it still feels like you wouldn't be upset if he did depart.

    I'm just curious what's changed within the last 6 weeks/2 months?
     
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  2. Huddlejonny

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    Surely the scouting department have options to improve the squad... there's a whole transfer department that should be on this already with plan A B C etc... we cannot continue like this and expect anything to change, the players look knackered and most of them lack the concentration levels required to last 90 minutes
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Poor management decisions repeatedly and becoming convinced that his system and coaching is unsustainable.
    We've got to the point where we're barely able to select a side due to injury and a lot of it appears to be due to Postecoglou, unfortunately.
    He isn't using the available squad and then he's complaining about tiredness and injuries.

    I don't think that it's all down to the manager. He certainly hasn't been helped by our transfer strategy leaving the squad so light.
    The homegrown/club-trained issue goes back years and limits us horribly. Anyone is going to be a little screwed by it.
    If he's not going to use players like Reguilon and Spence though, then we should've replaced them.
    We're almost certainly going to end up with a Sarr/Bergvall central midfield on Sunday and that's not on him, either.
    Losing a centre-half every other game may well be, though.
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    It's January and I expect a number of other clubs to be pushing the boat out, unfortunately.
    City in particular will be looking to strengthen and I expect they'll be after a number of the same positions.
    I don't feel very confident that a Plan C January signing will do us much good, I'm afraid. May help depth, though.
     
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  5. bigsmithy9

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    Aren't you all looking forward to the Tamworth match? We will be watching a team working their nuts off while Tottenham will be.......?
     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    I can't speak for everyone but for me the single biggest epiphany has been the fact that Ange is not a coach in the Poch (and perhaps even Arteta) mold who can take young or inexperienced players and coach them to be the best versions of themselves.

    We haven't really seen a single player improve under his tenure and what is worrying is that the overwhelming majority of our 'experienced' players are now in the absolute sweet spot of their peak years, but you'd never know it watching them.

    The dilemma is, our transfer policy for years now has been geared towards a coach with that skillset.

    I've said it around a hundred times this season. Ange is essentially a Conte or Mourinho with an Aussie accent and more entertaining brand of football. Give him half a billion to spend and he'll probably win the league just as they would. But we don't have that kind of money to spend, just as they found out.

    I think it took as this long to spot firstly because most Spurs fans suffer from cognitive dissonance in that we are so desperate to see success we ignore obvious red flags along the way. But also because it is genuinely new to us that a version of Conte or Mourinho who plays attacking football actually exists.
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    I'll file this under "stuff Ange says that makes him sound like Mourinho, but without Mourinho's CV".

    I want him gone.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    There’s growing numbers that want the same judging by social media.

    I’m pretty fed up with him if I’m honest. Very below par and amateurish manager but I feel like if we sack him it lets the board off again - plus it’d also likely make them take January less seriously.
     
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  9. Citizen Kane.

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    I'm finding it very difficult to like him at the moment.

    What used to be endearing and funny about him I now find grating and irritating. Repetitive but without any real point.

    His comments are frequently either plain wrong or delusional.

    And they way he bangs on about his style of football...arrogant imo... you'd think until he came along, the entire world played the game like Tony Pulis.
     
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  10. KingHotspur

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    Back him or sack him. A window with another Werner type signing and Yang arriving isn’t even remotely good enough.
     
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  11. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to my world of Ange. I didn’t like him at Celtic and the way he spoke like he invented attacking football, I always doubted he could replicate it at a higher level and with a squad that wasn’t the best in the league by a mile.

    His lack of attention to detail always alarmed me too, leaves too much to coaches and then isn’t even very motivating imo.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    I've noticed DMs slipping into the transfer rumours with increasing regularity of late

    A quick summary
    - Johnny Cardoso (Betis, we have an option on him next summer)
    - Malik Tillman (PSV)
    - Nicolo ***ioli (Juventus)

    The fact that Johnny and Tillman have broadly similar attributes does suggest we're not alone in getting tired of Bissouma sleepwalking

    Cigaretteioli is certainly loanable in January, given he's the odd man out in their starting xi, which tends to happen when you miss most of last season due to a betting ban...
     
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  13. KingHotspur

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    Doesn’t Tillman play on the wing or as a CAM?
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Couldn't beat the 3rd best team in Scotland.
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  15. Roo

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    This. I’ve got to the point where I want him backed to prevent a vicious circle again, and to pin Levy in a corner where he has to double down on his decision to hire him in the first place. - You hired him for a so called “project”, so back him. And yes, I know, that’s probably a “self sabotage” mindset to have, especially as the jury’s out on whether Ange’s up to the job.
    But the other situation I can see unfolding now, is levy sacking him in early Jan, and our entire window being focussed on a managerial replacement, rather than spending money on the gaps in the squad. And then conveniently seeing us get to the end of the window with no signings of note, no money spent, and half a season of getting used to another manager who will need a further 3-4 windows (if they get long enough) to fix the problems.
    It’s quite nice to have read Romero’s comments which essentially say the squad needs help, not that the manager needs sacking. I bet levy’s fuming about that <laugh>
     
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  16. PowerSpurs

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    When you all say back the manager... what do you mean? I suspect our spending is already maximised against the stadium covenant.
     
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  17. Tilly'sowner

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    I truly don’t believe the jury’s out. He is most certainly not up to the job.

    No tactical nous.
    Poor team selections.
    Inflexible.
    Not making use of youth.
    Not rotating defenders.
    Bizarre substitutions (at times).
    Not playing the players to their strengths (and rather trying to shoe horn players to fit his single preferred formation).

    Opponents have long worked out how to pressure spurs which is get the ball wide so how does Ange deal with this? By doing nothing.

    We have lost games where we had commanding leads. We have lost against teams that simply hadn’t won a game in the PL this season both home and away.

    I’ve been pretty much on the fence but recent weeks suggest to me he needs to go. I think Sunday’s game is make or break for Ange.
     
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  18. SpursDisciple

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    If he lacks confidence, a public bollocking is probably risky
     
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  19. Left on the Shelf

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    Terminal, more like.
    Werner is heading back from whence he came after those comments. And the weeks left before he goes will have to be carefully managed, otherwise risking destabilising the rest of the squad.
    A coach going public with player criticism is seldom if ever a good idea, but when there is already unrest around the camp it just suggests the coach is trying to find someone to blame for his own failings.
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think the saddest thing is how easy it is to read this club nowadays and any talk of a project is simply from a business perspective, not a footballing one.

    There’s rarely ever any pleasant surprises for us fans and a lot of early pessimism many of us have often comes to fruition, to the point that pessimism really is just realism.

    I stressed it at the end of the window and I’ve maintained throughout this first half of the season - just what was the thought process behind the summer window and the plan for the season? We scraped 5th after 5 losses in 6, crashed out of cups early and in general laboured along barring the first ten games of the season and that was without any European football to contend with that year, yet decided that only one minor upgrade to the XI was required in a season with at least an extra 8 games of football.

    Ange has exacerbated just about every issue we’ve had so far with his awful management but we’re repeating this vicious cycle of seemingly thinking we can gate crash the big boys whilst acting like a West Ham or a Fulham with the types of players we often bring in.
     
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