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Match Day Thread Brighton v Saints - 29/11/24, 8pm

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  1. RSS

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    Just seen an interview with the Brighton GK and he said he didn’t know why it was given as offside and that they got lucky.

    Here’s another one that shows the ridiculous inconsistency. Silva not interfering with the GK whilst being offside here but Armstrong was yesterday…

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  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    For that one he had moved by time ball was played so not really the same thing.

    It was a foul though. And a good example of why offside should be offside.
     
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    Yeah the Arsenal one is the one that’s really similar to ours. This was just the other high profile one I could think of this season. Agree offside/interfering with play needs the subjectivity taking out of it. At least that would then be one less occasion VAR takes 5 minutes to make a decision when automated offside comes in.
     
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    Well he’s not offside until Stones heads the ball tbf but yeah the inconsistency is a real issue
     
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  5. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah the Arsenal is basically the exact same situation. Don't even think it was checked.
     
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    How do we know the linesman hadn’t flagged for Archer. The decision was a disgrace and refer back to the Arsenal goal against us.
     
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    Yeah it’s been said a few times before but it was a trigger from elsewhere today.
     
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    From resident ref Tom:

    As soon as Armstrong did the little flick with his heel the flag has to go up.

    Completely agree about the Arsenal goal, that should’ve been disallowed as well
     
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  10. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yes I had a look and saw that. Tbf I think fans of any club can see just how good he is. Well except the blue few maybe :)
     
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    It’s interesting and potentially a reason we may be able to keep him (although I’m not sure about his contract situation actually). We surely would be wanting a huge price for him and the teams that can afford him he probably isn’t going to play much, the teams where he will play won’t be able to pay what we want so he’s stuck a little bit. If he only has like a year or 2 left on his deal then we might have to sell him for way less than I’m thinking, probably like Livramento sort of money, £30m or so which makes him affordable to everyone so he can choose whether he goes somewhere he will play every week.

    Ironically the most logical/likely team to stump up money for him would be Chelsea, whether he would want to go back there under different circumstances remains to be seen
     
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    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    2 years after this season I believe (well one but with a club option for an extra so essentially two).

    I'd be trying to get him signed up to an extension. Massive pay rise (like a quintupled amount) with sensible buy out clause would make sense for both parties i think.
     
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    Oh so we’re pretty ****ed then. Can’t see how signing an extension helps him really unless he’s worried about injury/form dropping. He’ll surely know already about any interest, especially as he’s already left once so big clubs were aware of him even before this season, and he’ll know that we have to sell if we want any sort of fee this summer.

    Obviously a new deal gives him a bit of security and presumably he is getting paid **** all by footballer standards atm so maybe he’d do a Virgil and sign one just to get a payrise for the rest of the season and then look to leave in the summer anyway
     
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    Yeah that second paragraph is kinda what I'm thinking. Complete guess but surely isn't on any more than 10-15k a week or so at this point?

    Bump that to 60-70ish and he's basically already a millionaire and will still get his move in the Summer if we set a release clause at around £50m
     
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    I mean it’s obviously hard when you aren’t in his situation but I would think that money shouldn’t be a factor in his decision making at this point. Continue on his trajectory and he is going to make **** loads no matter what. Choosing to take a few mill now which could negatively impact his career and future earnings later wouldn’t be a good call. He should just be focused on trying to improve as much as possible.

    Then you have the whole argument of playing regularly v training and playing occasionally with better players at a big club

    But yeah easy for me to say when I’m not making a decision that sees me turn down millions over the next couple of years
     
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    Also the point that he had a bad experience of homesickness when he went to Chelsea (which isn’t exactly miles away), so there might be a chance he sticks with us a little longer.
     
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    I thought it was to do with ther academy feeling more like a breeding ground and very impersonal with too many top players in every position vying for game time?

    If homesickness was part of it (also bearing in mind that he was 16 at the time) then that could help us.

    I do remember hearing that Shaw had a similar thing when United came in for him. He’d never been north of London except to play football or something before so was very hesitant when they came in for him, think his preferred choice was Chelsea. United moved some of his mates up there with him to help him settle I think is how the story went
     
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    Yeah impossible to say what he's thinking really and what route he'd prefer to go down.

    The other thing to consider financially though is the security aspect. We're already seeing teams who have decided the best way to deal with him is to kick him off the pitch and a big injury could cost him loads of money even if he eventually recovers.

    I don't see him sticking around for the championship regardless and think the club would want/need to cash in too.

    Of course you have to assume that the club are already trying to tie him down to a new deal. And since there seems to be no talk of it he may already have told us he's got no intention of it.
     
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    Reference the photo, I was actually quite impressed when the ref for the WHU v Arsenal game actually moved an Arsenal player who was jumping around in front of the WHU keeper, who was trying to set up a wall to defend a free kick.
    At best the player was acting in an ungentlemanly manner which, unless laws have changed, is a yellow card, but hopefully the ref doing what he did might get a few more taking notice of the way teams deliberately impede keepers at set pieces.
    I also seem to remember that a player can only use their body to shield the ball and stop an opponent getting to the ball IF THE BALL IS WITHIN TOUCHING DISTANCE, otherwise it’s obstruction.
    Perhaps that has changed too?
     
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