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Confirmed: Russell Martin has been sacked

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Osvaldorama, Sep 19, 2023.

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Martin out?

  1. Right now, he's worse than Guardiola

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  2. Give him one more game

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  3. Give him until next international break

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  4. Stick with him, he'll turn it round

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  5. No point in sacking now, wait until end of the season

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  1. Saintmagic

    Saintmagic Well-Known Member

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    Seems like Blackmore is saying that the risk of changing manager and getting it wrong is a big reason behind not changing manager yet. He is saying that the players are still happy despite how things are going atm and until that changes the risk is too high.

    How long the players stay happy losing every week, especially if/when the crowd turns remains to be seen but if/when that happens the risk of changing manager would drop considerably you’d think.

    The point about players values dropping is an interesting one as well. As others have said most teams play this way now so maybe there would still be interest in our players who clubs think would fit in better at their sides than ours. Much like how we identified Martin as doing well with our squad last year rather than his mediocre record previously suggested
     
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  2. Cowtownred

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    It's always said that our players aren't good/talented enough to play the way Man City do, which in my opinion is true, but even they and every top team play long ball once in a while. RM wants us to become 100% possession based, even though the way our defense go about it, like they are passing a hand grenade around at the back!
    He needs to adapt his wants, and play to our strengths.
     
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  3. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    So our recruitment is so bad we better not change manager.
     
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  4. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Coventry look likely to appoint Lampard, but seems they've also considered Van Nistelrooy and Carsley - so I'm not having the "there's nobody else that would take it" excuse any more.
     
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  5. Saintmagic

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    If they considered those two and went for Lampard then either:

    1 they are complete idiots

    2 RVN and Carsley are actually ****

    3 RVN and Carsley didn’t want the Cov job and as they are flavours of the month the Cov board have leaked they “considered” them
     
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  6. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    I just won a quintuple in FM24 - Charity Shield, Carabao Cup, Premier League, FA Cup and Champions League.

    That's with Ronnie Edwards, Sugawara, Sam Amo and Dibling still in the squad.

    #LTLin
     
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  7. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    Is he still here?! :cry:
     
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  8. timatoketchup

    timatoketchup Well-Known Member

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    Russell Martin.
    Has Lucy Pinder
    Has tenure
    Has a smart beard
    Has cash money
    Out of depth professionally

    timatokethup.
    None of the above

    Where have I gone wrong?
     
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  9. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    But you have us ;)
     
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  10. timatoketchup

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    4 points after 11 games is a ****ing joke. He is failing at his job
     
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  11. saintlyhero

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  12. Lovelocum

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    Bollocks really. Luke shaw Clyne and lambert didn’t play for England until we got into the PL and started playing well.

    Im not saying we have a bunch of internationals but if we weren’t playing this awful football a few players might get some time in the sun.

    Ramsdale THB Bednarek Sugawara Downes Lallana are good players. Dibling has so much potential, Archer might get some goals given the chance.

    We might not stay up but you don’t look at this squad and think ‘doomed’.
     
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  13. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Fernandes is a class act too.
     
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  14. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    I don't think the squad is necessarily good enough to stay up but it's good enough to be more competitive than we have been.
     
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  15. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a good article. The only part I'd take issue with is this paragraph:

    "Why should players assembled to play in a particular way be able to adjust to playing another? While it possibly is true that a simpler, more risk-averse style might benefit a team low on confidence, it’s very unlikely to help a struggling side if they stop playing to their strengths."

    Firstly they're not players assembled to play in a particular way. Secondly we're not playing to their strengths.
     
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  16. SaintinNZ

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    Its not so much the quality players. We have a few who are very good but the Prem requires a few outstanding players and a bunch of very good ones. I'm not going to name names but we don't have anyone to replace injured defenders or midfielders who is of equal quality and our forward line options are barely championship good. Martin has his work cut out for sure which is why I'm not invested in the season so much.
     
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  17. SaintinNZ

    SaintinNZ Well-Known Member

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    I think any team assembled by a manager like martin is intended for a certain way of playing mate. I think that's the point being made, not that they arent able to adapt or change. The naivete from Martin is not in his approach but in the belief that he can change outcomes without changing much. That somehow we will all - players and fans - keep believing that this is the right way to play and results will turn around because it is right. What's more likely ad probably necessary is that he shifts our approach significantly in someway and either is clever or lucky enough and gets a results or three. Thats where the belief can come from.
     
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  18. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    The thing is I don't think many people are suggesting abandoning possession football entirely. Just that this extreme version of it will never work for a squad which is among the poorest in the league.

    Two minor adjustments of less fannying around at the back and trying to get the ball forward quicker could potentially make a huge difference.

    The biggest thing for me still is that we take loads of risks in our third but hardly any in the opposition's
     
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  19. milton archer

    milton archer Well-Known Member

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    Which ever way it's looked at 4 points at this stage of the season is pathetic. The fact that we play predictable boring football compounds it.
     
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  20. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    This.
     
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