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The Farmers Protest

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Yes I saw that, it was lies and bluster with a few cheap insults thrown in …

    … and when all that fails he starts trying to appeal to the mob, with lame ‘humour’ for a few cheers.

    Trump/Farage/Clarkson/Johnson/Tommy Robinson …

    … all turnips from the same crop.
     
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  2. rooch 3

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    Food manufacturers, is it?
    If the public bought food for the price it should be everyone would be happy, but they won’t, they expect top quality food for peanuts. It can’t be done and they will find out when there is none and they are eating hormone stuffed
    s hite from the good old USA
     
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  3. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    As I've said, gone right down in my estimations... I enjoyed the 3 series on the farm, and he's done more for farmers than country file has in 20 years...

    But, I believe the farmers will turn on our land grabbing tax dodger soon
     
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  4. Culinary

    Culinary Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that's the case, he bought the farm to avoid inheritance tax - it's exactly what the measures they're protesting against have been brought in to try and address/deter. Any genuine farmers caught in the crossfire should be furious with the likes of Clarkson, Lloyd-Webber and Dyson as much if not more than they are with the Government.
     
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  5. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    We shall see marra.
     
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  6. Blond Bombshell

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    Exactly, I reckon his day of reckoning will be soon
     
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  7. rooch 3

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    You are going to have a long wait, mate<ok>
     
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  9. Blond Bombshell

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    Don't think so marra, Clarkson has stuck a stick in the ants nest...

     
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  10. rooch 3

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    It will take a much bigger stick than what Clarkson has<laugh>
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    That's right, the Treasury have said as much. They've also said that these measures will bring in £502 million a year. For context, Income Tax brings in approx. £302 billion a year, and that's about 25% of all government income (although I've seen things that suggest it's less than that). The government have spent £9.4 billion on the public sector pay rises and annual public sector raises in line with average earnings are estimated to cost £6 billion per year. Now, obviously public sector workers are crucial to society, but so are farmers. When those numbers are involved, I just wonder whether the loss of even just one farm will be worth it just to frustrate rich people who are trying to avoid paying inheritance tax.
     
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  12. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

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    I believe it's a lesson we are all going to have to learn to rebuild our country. The bitterest pill I ever had to swallow...

     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    This is my point. £502 million a year is a comparative drop in the ocean. If, and I realise its a big if, farms are put out of business, someone's livelihood is lost, just to prevent people finding ways of avoiding paying inheritance tax, that seems heavy handed. It doesn't seem like rebuilding to me, it seems more like a vendetta against rich people and disregard for the collateral damage that pursuing that vendetta will incur. There must be better ways of preventing tax avoidance than measures that have the potential to harm businesses.
     
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    I have always hated him, spouts ****e and he is still doing it, probably friends with good old Boris
     
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  15. rooch 3

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    Best buddies I would imagine<ok>
     
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    Ironically Clarkson boasting to the Tory press that he bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax probably first brought this nice little "loophole" to the attention of politicians and HMRC. You reap what you sow Jezza :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I used to work for Number 6 ...

    ... lives in Texas, visits for a few weeks a year to shoot things and doesn't produce a single carrot.

    He inherited everything because his distant relative was impotent and couldn't produce an heir.

    So he copped the lot, including the title, and will pass it on to his son.
     
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  18. rooch 3

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    I believe it’s something that will never change, my memory isn’t great but back in the seventies the biggest butchers in this country was Dewhurts and I remember one year after he’d pocketed ( supposedly had a shop in every town) millions it was announced his house cleaner paid more tax than him, I believe he paid £1 tax. This was supposed to be going to get stopped straight away, that was 50+ years ago. They seem to be getting on real fast with it.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Number 1 is part of my family, the Scotts, and was quite a decent bloke when I met him.

    I'll be going to the clan gathering next year, as usual, and will be asking a few pertinent questions.

    Border Reiver Family Heritage & Genealogy's post

    Border Reiver Family Heritage & Genealogy
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    The Scott Clan battle cry -
    Both Buccleuch and Bellenden lay to the north west of Hawick, the latter almost on the county boundary between Roxburgh and Selkirk. As the Scotts had first entered this area from the west, via Clydesdale and Upper Tweeddale, they would have begun to settle around this high plateau of land near the head of the Ale Water. As the Scotts were set to become one of the most prominent riding families in border history, this was an ideal area from which to commence raids into England. On all sides, the gradually sloping hills would have been grass covered rather than heather, with the surrounding Ettrick Forest providing ample sources of concealment. It was fine riding country with ready access into England via Liddesdale and Redesdale. Although puzzling to a stranger, it was easily ranged by those with local knowledge of hill and river crossings.
    Very few roads exist of officially recognised Roman construction in the Borders, but such a section existed near the Scottish/English border here at Craik Forest ,at the head of the Borthwick Water, now an important salmon spawning stream and tributary of the River Tweed. This hugely strategic position then was further acquired by the Scotts of Murthockstane, Rankilburn and Buccleuch on 18th June 1415, in exchange with the Monastery of Melrose, for their lands and fisheries of glen Kery by none other than one Robert Scott. As this now lay more or less at the centre of all now-owned Scott territory, it was soon designated the clans rallying, mustering and gathering place, similar to a modern army's HQ. Essentially riding country, the massed horsemen, or 'reivers', would triumphantly shout their battle cry “a Bellenden” before careering off down Liddesdale to Cumbria, or down Tynesdale or Redesdale into Northumberland. As Sir Walter Scott, himself, later wrote of in his 'Lay of the Last Minstrel'-
    “Trooped man, and horse, and bow and spear
    their gathering word was Bellenden”.
    The Scott battle cry, or slogan, however is spelt in many different ways. One is a 'bel dene' and is believed to have come from Norman -French, meaning a beautiful place (a dene is a forest) and takes it from the secret place in Ettrick Forest where families and cattle would have been sent in times of war. Other variations include 'bellenden', 'dean', 'deane', and 'daine', the latter which has now come to be accepted as the current spelling of the cry.
    It is worth noting that in addition to "A Bellendaine" other phrases associated with the Scotts include "There'll be moonlight again!" And the cry "The Scotts are Out!" were said to strike terror into the hearts of Englishmen!
    Bellendean farm photographs exist from the 1950's (of which we have some, kindly donated by local farmer James Anderson), though it is believed that an older Bellendean farm and ruins existed ¼ mile nearer, the more western, Tushielawside. At any rate , the Bellenden banner is today still preserved amongst the trophies of the Buccleuch family and it bears both the stars and crescents , as well as the stag trippant, (both discussed on the page on the origins of the Buccleuch name), surmounted by an earl's coronet and the words 'A Bellendaine', on a field azure. This flag, or banner, made of silk, is proudly owned by His Grace, the Duke of Buccleuch, at his family residency at Bowhill, near Selkirk.
    Source: http://www.clanscottscotland.com/clan-rallying.../4590843961
     
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  20. Montysoptician

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    Fascinating Smug, thanks for posting
     
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