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Walter Out

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  1. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    Sounds a bit too much like Walter? ..... 'After winning the 2022 Johan Cruyff Shield and 2022–23 KNVB Cup, he resigned with one match remaining in the 2022–23 Eredivisie season, citing a lack of support.'
     
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  2. SydneyTiger14

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    In this interview he even says we had rough patches of form last season due to injuries, which he's maybe now realising he should have cut Rosenior some slack over.
     
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  3. Gone For A Walk

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    Decent interview imo tbf.
    So, it's clear that this talk (yet again) of him wanting out is absolute bollox. Hopefully it now stops as it really isn't helpful.
    And it's also clear that Walter isn't going anywhere just yet. Let's hope Acun is right, I no longer see it, but maybe it's me (and plenty of us) that are wrong. Walter has to start helping himself a bit more though, before he completely loses the fans.
    He is absolutely right with this ..... "I want our fans to please see that we brought young and talented players in the summer and we do really believe in them." We really do have a good number of young, talented players. I just hope Walter starts showing that he really is the man to bring them on and get the best out of them (I did, but now I'm doubtful).
    And good, but not surprising, that they're looking for strengthening where we have remaining weaknesses in January.
     
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  4. SydneyTiger14

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    The utter hypocrisy of Acun doing a podcast a few weeks ago criticising United for not sacking ETH sooner and reading the writing on the wall then stubbornly coming out and citing every excuse under the sun to justify not sacking Walter and suggesting he knows better than the supporters.
     
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  5. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    You mean the ETH who was at United for coming up 2 and a half years when he made that statement? Ah rite.
    Posts like that make me think once again that some on here deserve the Allams back.
    Get a grip.
     
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  6. lancstiger

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    ETH had several years not several weeks in which he created the MU car crash, so it is not a fair comparison.
     
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  7. originalminority

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    No scoop there Baz, all he's saying is back the manager, why only 300k potential, Hull and East Yorkshire is 600k and no question or answers on Tan or a replacement or the stadium plans, nowt in it really.
     
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  8. Gone For A Walk

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    Fair point.
    Now where's the Part II ?

    The other 300k for FC and Rervers?
     
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  9. AlRawdah

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    Acun Ilicali says he remains supportive of under-pressure Hull City head coach Tim Walter and believes results will turn around after a challenging start to the season, calling on supporters to help spark the turnaround in fortunes.

    City are 19th in the table with just three wins in their first 15 games and having suffered four defeats in a winless run which now stands at seven matches, beaten 2-1 at home to West Brom last time out.

    Walter has has had to weather an almighty storm from supporters who are desperate to see a change in manager, with criticism at Oxford United last Tuesday night the biggest sign yet of their growing discontent at both results and performances, having been promised an attacking brand of football when the former Hamburg boss arrived in the summer replacing former boss Liam Rosenior.

    Ilicali admits the start to the season has not gone as planned, but feels there are mitigating factors along the way including ACL injuries to key summer signings Liam Millar and Mohamed Belloumi, while Abu Kamara, Steven Alzate, Marvin Mehlem and Carl Rushworth have been sidelined, and Oscar Zambrano banned pending an appeal.

    The Tigers owner, who is edging closer to his three-year anniversary since taking over, confesses that he completely understands the growing frustrations of the club's fanbase, who are worried about the possibility of a relegation battle this season given the current form.

    "Of course, the start to the season has not been what I expected," the Turkish businessman told Hull Live. "We are not happy about it, but I believe there are reasons why, and we are doing everything we can to make everything better.

    "I understand our fans, and I understand their frustration because, as I always say, I've come from the stands to be the owner of the club, so that reaction is normal when you get bad results. I believe one hundred per cent in Hull City fans, I believe in their love and loyalty for the club and I believe they won't react in a negative way when they judge everything in a fair way.

    "In any game, when a side loses, there can be an immediate protest from the fans, this is one side of football, but on the flip side, a couple of days later, you can make what I believe to be correct judgements, you can analyse everything. Our fans' frustrations are completely understandable, but maybe when they see things from my angle, they may have a different opinion.

    "We are not in a position to blame Tim or judge Tim at the moment. In order to judge Tim from my side, I must look at the bigger picture and only in one game, at Norwich City (4-0 defeat), we didn't have the chance to win. Apart from that, in the other 14 games, we had the chance to win the games. We've had some bad luck on the pitch in the nearly three years I've been here, but in the last four months, it's been by far and away the unluckiest period.

    "For example, I can count two games where I think refereeing mistakes have had a negative impact on our results, one a very clear handball and the other, the referee was almost like a defender for the other team, and there was a penalty not given. Away from that, the injuries we're suffering from at the moment, we're so unlucky to lose two of the best players we signed in the summer - Liam Millar and Mohamed Belloumi - I wish them all the best.

    "We've also got Carl Rushworth, our goalkeeper, and other injuries with Steven Alzate and Marvin Mehlem out and Oscar Zambrano unavailable, and Abu Kamara in the last two games, it's affecting the squad so much. How can we judge Tim when he has so many big problems in the team?


    "I understand fans' worries about performances, but I believe once we get our players back, the style is correct. There have been two or three games so far where we could have gone two or 3-0 up in the first half, and unfortunately, from those games, we lost points, and that was disappointing.

    "If the game was negative and the results were good, I would be more pessimistic. I agree we have played some bad games recently, from our point of view, just remember when we didn't have Jaden Philogene and Liam Delap in the team last season, we suffered without them. Wingers being out of the game in the Championship is really unlucky and makes a difference. We have our injured wingers - Abu Kamara, Ryan Longman and Dogukan Sinik - coming back, and I hope they will be able to support the team."

    While Belloumi and Millar are sidelined for the season, Walter will be able to call upon Kamara, Alzate and Mehlem after the international break, though Rushworth is not expected back until around Christmas, and that gives him hope going into next Saturday's trip to Luton Town, who sit a couple of places below City in the table after an equally challenging start to life back in the Championship.

    "In midfield, Steven Alzate and Marvin Mehlem are coming back. This squad is young and inexperienced, and they need support from the fans, they need to have the fans behind them and backing them so they can feel more and more comfortable. I want our fans to please see that we brought young and talented players in the summer and we do really believe in them."

    City are only outside the bottom three on goal difference, and there are alarming parallels with two seasons ago, but at such a relatively early juncture of the campaign, Ilicali's belief is unwavering

    "I always look at the promotion battle and not the relegation battle, I always have full positivity on the future, and I'm optimistic about what we can achieve in a positive way."

    Given City's injuries, Ilicali will back his manager in the January window with Jared Dublin playing a key role in the club's recruitment, but he says after the finances invested last season, the club had to reduce it's wage bill during the summer.

    "There's a transfer window in front of us in just over 40 days and we know there are injuries and some areas that are not working in the team, and we will work hard in January to fix those issues. As I always say, I'm not here to make a profit, everything I do is to try and make Hull City successful.

    "When you look at what we did last year, we had six Premier League players in the squad, and after January, we could only win two games at home. This team unfortunately, couldn't get us to the Premier League despite us spending a lot of money and bringing in some very good players like Fabio Carvalho and Liam Delap. Because of that, we lost our loan players who would have joined us permanently if we had got promoted, and then Jaden Philogene and Jacob Greaves wanted to go and play in the top flight, and I couldn't stand in their way.

    "We spent over our limits last season, but to make sure we were within our financial fair play commitment over the three-year period, we had to reduce some costs this summer, and that meant letting high earners go, and selling Jacob, Ozan Tufan and Jaden, but we have also reinvested, bringing in the likes of Millar, Belloumi, Charlie Hughes and Abu Kamara.

    "We've lost so many key players in the summer, and so we had to sign a lot of new young boys who need our backing. Isn't it the time to get behind them, our new boys and this new manager who has only been working with these players for a few weeks since the end of the summer window? Is it fair to judge him with the new players coming in? He's trying to fight for this team to be successful."

    Some fans have raised concerns about the potential for Ilicali selling the club in the near future, but he says those plans are not on the agenda, and his commitment to City remains as strong, and unwavering as ever.

    "I respect all the fans, their ideas and opinions," he explained. "I'm one hundred per cent respectful of their views. I'm only here for success - I come to 90 per cent of the home games, and I do it for only one reason, love. When there is no love, for me, there is no reason. I still feel all the love when I walk in the streets of the city, I feel the love when I go to the MKM Stadium and meet the fans. Individual comments on social media, I respect, but they don't change my feelings. I feel the love from everybody. If you ask me, has that love reduced since I bought the club nearly three years ago? I would say, no, there has been zero reduction in that.

    "Some comments on social media are fine, but they will never represent the city or the whole fan base, and we are talking about 300,000 potential fans. I don't feel anything negative, so the thought of me selling the club is completely out of my mind, but if a time comes when I don't feel the love and they don't want me anymore, this is a different case.

    "First, I look at the squad and then performance. At the moment, compared to last year, the squad and performance are not far from each other. Don't forget, this squad is a young squad and we've lost some key players. Some of the players will recover from injury, the young players will get more familiar with Tim's style and then, let's judge together. When we see the squad and the football, let's judge Tim, but now, I will not blame Tim for us being the unluckiest in the league with the problems we've spoken about.

    "Why are we blaming him at the moment? I'm sure that fans will realise that Tim is not the point of the team's problem, and I'm sure that fans will be fair about him. I support people more when they have problems. My coach has a problem right now, so I'm here to support him.

    "Stability is one of the most important things in football. It is true that we haven't been able to have stability until now. We haven't been at the club for three years yet. We want to bring stability, we want to make a successful project and we are working hard for that.

    "We were talking about similar issues two years ago, and then we finished seventh in the league. Now, we have similar problems, and some people are talking about relegation danger, but why can we still not get in the play-offs if things go right for us? Don't forget, we're building a young team like a puzzle. Look at the squad we inherited three years ago and look at it now. If the injuries didn't happen, look at how good our squad is now with our own players. We will do some recruitment in January, and I believe there will be some big times in front of us.

    "If there was ever a time to support this team, it is now. If it is time to give our manager support and lift the mood of our manager and our players, it is now. I want all of our fans to back our manager and our players, to show the whole of England what a big, supportive family we are. We will make mistakes, but we're here to correct those mistakes. We've already lifted this team from the bottom to the top, so why can't we do it again? All we need is love.

    "I'm a warrior, I'm a fighter. In life, from the moment I lost my parents, I've been a survivor. At the moment, we do have some problems, I know that, but I will never give up fighting. I feel the love of this beautiful club and my passion remains as strong now as it did the day I bought the club. I'm here for the battle, and as I always say, I'm a survivor."
     
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  10. Shark Sports

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    The more he talks the more it's clear he doesn't have a clue.

    That interview today is laughable
     
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  11. Gone For A Walk

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    Laughable? Why? In what ways?
    (I'm not for one minute pretending he's perfect, he's made mistakes for sure, but in perspective ...)
     
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  12. SydneyTiger14

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    His point was that the writing was on the wall in the summer but they held off and sacked him 10 games in instead, so the 2 and a half year period is irrelevant when we're talking about the summer to now as the period where the ownership went from giving him a new deal to sacking him. The same period in which Walter was given a deal and we sit here now. Pretty simple.

    Not sure how the Allams come into it.
     
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  13. Ric Glasgow

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    ****ing hell!!! 8.11 on a Saturday morning and you've played your Allam 'Joker' Card already...I'm keeping my Steve Bruce one till later on:emoticon-0148-yes:

    Is this new owner excluded from all criticism??
     
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  14. SydneyTiger14

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    Yep a lot of hot air and excuses without much substance.
     
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    The Steve Bruce joker card is mine, get your own.
     
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  16. Shark Sports

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    It's full of excuses, most don't make any sense and there's plenty of contradictions to what he's said previously.

    He's got a clear refusal to accept when he's wrong, and then to top it all off he talks about the need for stability when he's the reason we've had none since he walked through the door. Oh and we're going to bring more players in when the Jan window opens (perfect for stability) as if, the 17 new arrivals in the summer wasn't enough churn.

    He's well-intentioned, but his spending has been reckless and for all the good will in the world, he's just not a very good owner.
     
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    He mentions the injuries but our form wasn’t great before millar and Belloumi got injured
     
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    I’m back in the uk again for a while, hadn’t seen a game since last Christmas period. I managed to get to the west brom game. It was a strange watch. The defending for both goals conceded was atrocious. However, we were by far the better team and dominated proceedings, but only after going two down. Was that because West Brom hadn’t won in a while and were protecting what they had? Either way, we looked good between the boxes but terrible in them both. Charlie hughes looks a real talent on the ball. not enough seen for a full judgement and Walter but the results aren’t pretty at all.
    I’ll have Luton away, and possibly one more game before I head back to Aus. Hopefully get a few points on the board and back in mid table before the busy Xmas period. If we don’t, he has to go.
     
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    This is what I keep thinking every time injuries are mentioned as an excuse.
    That's all it is, an excuse
     
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  20. Gone For A Walk

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    Not at all Ric. I even said "he's made mistakes".
    I don't agree with him about Walter, I don't think he's going to be successful, but it's easy to understand his given reasoning.
    Some should imo be very careful what they seem to be wishing for in terms of ownership.
     
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