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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Spurf

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    This is anecdotal that's why I said apparently. The story is that hedge funds have supposedly intervened in the Editorial freedom of the paper to 'protect their investments' As far as I can see the paper is still owned by a trust that should ensure it's editorial freedom. However I have noticed a shift to the right.

    I read The Guardian from the age of 15 when it was The Manchester Guardian and not widely read in London where I lived. I chose the Guardian because it came out best (to my mind) in a story comparison we carried out at school. We looked at the same story in, if I remember correctly, The Times, The Mail, The Mirror, The Express, and The Guardian. I stopped buying it around 2008 as it was increasingly annoying me with it's editorials which basically follow the British State line. Since then I sometimes check it out online. Now it is IMO more and more like the BBC it has some good contributors but the news content or in the papers case the editorials are very much establishment.
     
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  2. Citizen Kane.

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    I would ask you to elaborate on and clarify this statement, please.
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    I'm eager to see your intellectual contortionism in explaining why the unrest in Amsterdam continued over the weekend long after Maccabi fans had departed, and flared up again last night, with videos of groups smashing the windows of trams and setting off fireworks inside the carriages whilst shouting 'Jews are cancer'.

    Or is that also David Baddiel's fault?
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    OK. Hedge Funds are a relatively small part of the investment industry and usually trade in quite sophisticated ways based on short term stock moves. I simply can't see how the Guardian editorial position would be material to them or how they could affect it. A more traditional investment manager like Blackrock or Fidelity is much more likely to benefit from press influence.
     
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    That would be the tram fire which literally every report specifically states a variation on the following phrase:

    Police said the fire was quickly extinguished, and riot officers cleared the square, though it was not clear who started the unrest or whether it was related to last week's violence.

    I hear the BBC are hiring...
     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Poor old 'Dam with their trams that happen to spontaneously combust in a square right next to groups of people who happen to be throwing fireworks and wooden pallets while shouting 'Jews are cancer'.
     
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    I think you may be out of date Power. Hedge Funds have grown into a substantial portion of the asset management industry. In Scotland they are buying large estates and pushing up the price of land as a result.
     
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    Check out Conservative Friends of Israel and Labour Friends of Israel. Also check out Alan Duncan former Tory foreign office minister. That will show the the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    I've seen this sentence all over the place too, and it is literally meaningless.

    The fire was extinguished quickly - so what?

    Riot officers cleared the square - good, that tends to be their job.

    It was not clear who started the unrest - correct, as they were wearing masks and as just stated, quickly ran off. I am sure they will soon be apprehended by the authorities and it will be revealed that they were in fact Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters who stayed on in the country for an extra three days just to set fire to trams.

    Or whether it was related to last week's violence - That's exactly the dilemma. If it was related to last week's unrest, it can be tied to the admittedly egregious behaviour of some Maccabi fans. But if it was unrelated, one potential cause was plain old anti-Semitism. Unless the chanting of 'Jews are cancer' is traditionally used at economic picket lines in Holland?


    Good grief I can see why I steered clear of this corner of our forum for years. Some of the positions on here are deeply worrying.

    At least the politics thread on the main PL board is packed with banter. I'll head back there. Cheerio.
     
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    We live in a democracy, as much as you apparently deny it.

    MPs are free to join lobbyist groups as they see fit. If their membership thereof was a threat to their chances of re-election, i.e. not supported by their constituents, they can simply be voted out. If constituents don't exercise this option, this would suggest that they either support that membership, or that their MP's affiliation in the Middle East isn't a particularly important issue (I believe the latter to be the truth in most cases).

    I don't see how CFoI or LFoI are materially different in any way to CFoP or LFPME. Again, would you care to elaborate? Numerous MPs register support for both groups, which I personally see as extremely healthy.
     
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    I take it your didn't check them out. I am not going to try to present such a big case on here in one post. If you cannot see what is happening in Gaza and has been happening for the last 75 years then I doubt you will take any notice of me.

    Just tell me how you justify this?
     
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    I probably won't take any notice of you because you make rather sweeping and strong statements and then when pushed back on them, you side-step the question <ok>

    At least HBIC has the good grace to supply a fresh deluge of Twitter links when challenged <laugh>
     
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    I have not side stepped any questions at all. I have just directly answered you by posting a video of Sir Alan Duncan explaining quite clearly how Israel is interfering in British government. If you want to engage in the argument do so but I am getting a strong sense that you are not interested.
     
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    Are you not kicking back at the wrong people? The whole of MSM framed this violence as anti semetic. As if the locals had gone on some Jewish hunt. It's very clear who started the violence (the day before the game) and it's clear that locals retaliated. Retaliated being the operative word. Antisemitism is a word used by Zionists to rubbish people who disagree with them. Look up the Haavara Agreement in 1933.
     
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    I actually checked the data before posting. The assets managed by all hedge funds put together are $5T. The largest conventional manager is Blackrock which has $11T by itself. As I said Hedge Funds are a relatively small part of the investment industry.
    Hedge Funds are trying to make money in a way that doesn't depend on traditional markets so buying land which they deem to be underpriced is a likely strategy. Not sure why this is harmful (at least in comparison to all the other faults of capitalism).
     
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    The sentence it was not clear who started the unrest or whether it was related to last week's violence is not meaningless by any stretch of the imagination, it provides context to the incident

    It's an interesting word, "context", because you would be amazed how often you hear that word - often following the words "taken out of"

    For an example of an incident where the reporting was taken out of context, were you even aware that what happened on Thursday night was not where the trouble began? The trouble began on Wednesday night when Maccabi fans were attacking people on public transport and being their usual charming selves, to the point that the police and local authorities considering calling the match off, which is the reason fans not just of Ajax but also of other clubs got the word out that they would be giving a bunch of knuckle-dragging thugs a shoeing on Thursday night. And yes, I have a source for that

    And here's another example of taking something out of context: have you seen a single report that even mentions that Ajax have a large Jewish following, given the club is based in Amsterdam's traditional Jewish quarter? Now isn't it funny how that detail got overlooked entirely, because doing that just so happened to help both the press coverage and the hysterical screeching from Maccabi and the Israeli state of calling Ajax fans "the wrong kind of Jews" - a known antisemitic trope

    And on the subject of Ajax having a large Jewish following, are you aware that one of Ajax's nicknames is de Joden, which I am sure you can figure out for yourself what that means. Now doesn't that recontextualise things? As in, with that nugget of information in your mind, can you rule out the possibility of people chanting "Jews are cancer" being rival fans, given there does not appear to be any footage of who set fire to the tram available? Which would be why the sentence it was not clear who started the unrest or whether it was related to last week's violence is important - sort of like everything else you conveniently overlooked
     
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    Wouldn't it be terrible if somebody compared the length of this sentence to the sentences that the Farage rioters received in the last couple of months...?
     
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    Remember the saying that an empire will fall within 250 years

    What's 1776 + 250?

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    Was going to say I can only count 8.
     
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