You do accept though that we will be poorer as a result of this and need to do something. So do we go cap in hand to the sex offender or the overly bureaucratic. This just shows what a monumental **** up David Cameron made.
I voted remain and I definitely didn't want Trump to get in as president on either occasion. Sadly, the reality is that both of those things happened and overturning them, rectifying the damage, is going to take a long time. People did vote for them though and I think that means that the individuals and organisations that opposed them need to have a think about their approach.
Brexit probably wouldn't have happened if Cameron had put half as much effort into campaigning into why we should remain as he did into keeping his personal finance interests out of the public domain. For me it was a bad idea to leave, but we did leave and I agree we shouldn't go back now. It happened so we move on. The hurdles the EU would make us jump just to prove a point would be ridiculous.
I presume most on here will disagree but there is/was potential to be positioned to benefit from a Trump presidential term, unfortunately I think Labour may have burned this bridge before it was built with Lammy and sending MPs to Washington DC to campaign for Kamala. Trump will often speak of his Scottish mother who was a Royalist, he also owns golf courses here etc and that is a potential thread that could have been harnessed and benefited from.
I agree with the Lammy comment, it was absolutely stupid to post what he did. Labour didn't send MPs to campaign on behalf of the Democrats though. It's labour party members volunteering, conservative party members have also volunteered in the past to campaign in a presidential election.
Six or two threes to my point though, I doubt Labour Limited would be daft enough to make it official, but the fact a bunch of their MPs got together and thought that would be a good idea displays their short sightedness. I also doubt Trump or his cabinet would see any difference between it being officially endorsed or not. An opportunity lost really.
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You've misunderstood, the point and you can go back and read it, was that we could have positioned ourselves to benefit from a Trump presidency and Labours actions have impeded this. Labour MPs, Labour members, Labour employees, Labour knob jockeys, it doesn't really matter, the fact remains it has hurt any chance of us benefitting from what is about to come.
I'm not sure we could anyway, his entire mantra is America first, there's going to be tariffs on imported goods regardless of how much smoke is blown up his arse. Whilst I appreciate we need to remain diplomatic I'd rather we didn't compromise on our principles to cosy up to him. Especially when any position of preference with him is built on sand since he's so erratic and impulsive. I'd far rather we swallowed our pride and sought to increase and re-establish our levels of trade with the massive trading bloc that's on our doorstep. Efforts to rejoin the single market or customs union would more than cover the impact on the economy resultant Trump's policies.
If made peace with being out of the EU. Thai changes things. I think there also needs to be some honesty about consequences though eg if trump whacks up the tariffs. People vote for simple lines as we know Maga, get brexit done, maybe ‘EU or YBF’ could be a slogan (you’ll be ****ed) or SBD stop being dicks
Can’t stop laughing at these videos of American women videoing themselves crying and saying they’ve lost their rights because Trump has won... but then the British women posting videos doing the same? Mentally challenged doesn’t come close. Makes me feel better about people here voting without having bothering to read a single word of the party manifestos.
It would matter a lot. A bunch of SPADs jetting over for a busman's holiday is embarrassing but it's happened before on both sides. Members of Parliament are different. They're public facing and could be working face to face with Donald and his advisors. Personally I'd demote anyone caught doing it. It doesn't matter how many dinners David Lammy has in Trump Tower or how much crawling he's done in the meantime, a bloke like Trump is unlikely to let his 2017 Twitter insults slide. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump brings it up as a reason why he's about to hoik up import tariffs and taxes.
I don't really know why people post videos of themselves crying online but the anger and fear that these women must be feeling is absolutely justified. If Trump allows certain states to bring in an abortion ban, it could ruin a lot of lives and some lives will be lost. Women here are angry in solidarity.
Whatever people think about UK party members going to another country to help a party in an election (which both sides have 100% done) I hope our government just ignore this sort of rubbish, or tell them to **** off (in a slightly more diplomatic way). Wannabe Tory leader Farage was at the announcement for Trump for Christ sake. And this is for bloke who wants to remove environmental rules, increase fossil fuel output (wonder who he's backed by) and put an anti vaxer in charge of US health policy. He is an absolute disaster waiting to happen on a global scale. Trump and his cronies will be thinking they can bully and bulldoze their way to whatever objective he aims to achieve and the world needs to stand up to that.
This. Just be upfront about why. If we had a referendum now it’d be a different result anyway. Customs union without joining the bang lot.
