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Off Topic Major incident in Southport

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  1. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    I think the system needs to be sped up drastically. A quicker processing time so these people stop becoming a drain on our society.

    I also think, arriving to England via lorry or boat should result in an instant ban and deportation from the Uk.

    There are proper channels to apply for immigration to the Uk, arriving illegally isn't 1 of them.

    I have lived abroad myself. And the countries I have lived in, I respect their values. I do not to to impose my own wants or needs. Neither do I try to exploit the system for financial gain.

    Immigration can work, but not in its current format.
     
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  2. GreyHorse

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    Sorry to hear that, mate.

    My missus is Indian and we go to as many games as we can when we are back in NE.

    Never had any hassle whatsoever, at the match or being out and about. The only time I was remotely concerned was when I took her to a ska night in Washington. Place was like a scene from This is England. Still no bother tho.....
     
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  3. Pure River Slut

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    I agree with some of this but one of the problems of this is that in practice we closed the routes down ie said we were full. Even families meeting families was full. It was too extreme and had no logic. Classic last government tbh. We should take a share in line with neighbours and be cooperative, but then I think Brexit was ridiculous on so many levels. Political relationships mean everything. If my family were on the next continent I’d find a way there. That doesn’t make them bad people.
    Effectively those who do come on boats and lorries are housed when they land assessed and sent back if they aren’t legit. Not much different from what you said.
    Cooperation ie taking an equivalent share might mean those neighbours respected us more. I don’t see any reason why EU countries should pay for our belligerent policy. As for ‘exploiting for financial gain’. It costs a fortune to go through processes for many migrant families. I don’t even know what you mean by that, health treatment?
     
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  4. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    If someone has travelled halfway across the world to seek safety in another country, I don’t see that as legit.

    For example if you travel from a country like Syria or Sudan for example, you cross many safe countries before reaching the Uk.

    Why do these people willing to pay a fortune to reach the Uk, when they have plenty of safe countries around them?

    The UK is a choice for many of these migrants, not a necessity.

    We have already seen this labour government announce that they will rehouse many of these migrants before UK citizens.

    The country is broke, we cannot afford to keep housing refugees when we can’t even afford to keep our pensioners warm in the winter, the people who have paid into the system all their lives are being spat on at the end of their life.

    The country is in a mess financially. The borders need to be closed unless you are here on a work visa and are a benefit to the system, because the last thing we need it more leaches sucking it dry.
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    Especially when we already have thousands of our own doing that.
     
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  6. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    Well said mate.
     
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  7. vic9

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    I personally class everyone single one of them as a criminal,because every single one of them are guilty of a pre meditated crime of entering this country ILLEGALLY, we’ve all been told 48 hours ago by the government to tighten up our financial belts and be ready for some hard few years of austerity and yet we still pander to these opportunistic criminal leeches
     
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  8. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    So you think they should stay wherever they land ?
     
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  9. FTM Dave

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    No it's not. Britain is a fabulously rich country and in the G7 (or G8 or whatever the **** the G is now).

    The problem is where that money goes.

    I note you don't mention the massive tax cuts for the rich under the Tory government (which Starmer & co will just accept), all the privatisations which have gone on for years and hiked up energy bills for working people with British & foreign rich parasites just interested in the profits they make rather than offering an affordable service. And so on.

    I reckon you've centered on the wrong enemy.
     
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  10. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    Personally I think they should stay where they are in the 1st place. Fight for their country, re build their country.

    But I do understand sometimes people need to flee for various reasons. And if they see the UK as an appealing country to them, then apply through the proper channels. Don’t force yourself on the UK by travelling half way across the world and then entering illegally.

    You have to question the morals of someone when they are prepared to break the law just to get here. What further laws will they be willing to break once they arrive?

    Can I ask you a question? In your town, is there much immigration?
     
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  11. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    Tax cuts for the rich? Please enlighten me.

    And by the way. I don’t trust any government, they are all the same. They want our money, and they have very dubious ways of spending it.

    Wether it’s Labour or Tory, they will both lie, they will both take our money. I didn’t vote this year, there is no difference between the 2 parties.
     
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  12. safc-noggieland

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    The question is simple the question as to why so many refugees that are fleeing for their lives, should ‘apply through the proper channels ‘
    A phrase by, not only you but by others on this post and by countless others all over the various social media channels that is utterly meaningless.
    The previous incumbents in charge have in actual fact ( please check if you disbelieve) stopped our embassies abroad from processing applications and even denying any person the right to apply. This is a fact - google away, so if you and your family are fleeing for your life the only option for you if you choose your safe haven to be the UK, the only next alternative method is to apply when you actually enter the UK.
    It is not, repeat NOT, illegal to enter the UK and apply for refugee status especially when normal embassy processing has shut down.
    Now the next question to be answered is the cost this deliberate policy has created.
    Along side the denial of applying prior to travel, is the apparent slow slow almost stand still of processing the newly arrived thus aggravating the situation because we are obliged to keep them safe, warm & fed as per good humane international law requires.
    Solution - simple in my mind.
    1) Employ and train many many more people to speed up processing and thus give us reason to then legally deport economic migrants thus quickly reducing the burden upon the UK.
    2) Start again good processing in our embassies abroad thereby cutting drastically the need for boats.
    3) Anyone failing this process and still entering the UK could then be removed automatically IMMEDIATELY no need for hostels & courts just first return flight/boat.
    It is my sincere believe that this crisis is in fact deliberatey designed or at least allowed to happen so politicians have a scapegoat to blame for their own competence and/or deflect their corrupt shennigans.

    rant over.
     
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  13. Row 3

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    You'll not get far spouting fact based common sense on here mind!
     
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  14. The Norton Cat

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    To apply for asylum in most European countries you have to be physically in them, or at their border. It's not just the UK. I don't believe embassies have ever come in to it, due to the nature of how embassies work and the practicalities of seeking asylum. Its not someting the 'previous incumbents' have changed. Some countries' embassies provide a visa to travel to seek asylum but that's not the same thing, and as far as I can work out, is essentially meaningless.
     
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  15. WorkyTicketFTM

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    What on earth is going on in this country at the minute. Another poor child stabbed.

     
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  16. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Yes and empathy
     
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  17. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    I also have empathy for legitimate asylum seekers fleeing persecution and war.

    But now my main priority lies with the people we already have in this country. The people that can’t afford to eat, the people who can’t get a doctors appointment, the people who can’t afford to heat their home, the children who get abused because of a social services that is overwhelmed.

    When the people of our own country can be taken care of, I then agree with should help others.

    But until then, close the doors, unless it’s for a legitimate work visa.
     
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  18. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    You have very little mate being honest. You’re all gob
     
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  19. gelders pie

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    I’ m not questioning you or your post , just thinking you may know the answer to what I don’t understand. “ we are obliged to keep them safe, warm & fed as per good humane international law requires“. So how come in France they are in tents , the French aren’t providing hotels ?
     
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  20. safc-noggieland

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