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Grand Prix thread PIRELLI UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2024 - Sprint Weekend

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, Oct 16, 2024.

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Who will finish first?

Poll closed Oct 19, 2024.
  1. Lando Norris

    33.3%
  2. Charles Leclerc

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  3. Max Verstappen

    33.3%
  4. Carlos Sainz

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  5. Lewis Hamilton

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  6. Sergio Perez

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  7. Oscar Piastri

    33.3%
  8. George Russell

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  9. Liam Lawson

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  10. Any Other

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  1. Sportista

    Sportista Well-Known Member

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    Not usually a fan of the BBC’s F1 reporting, but the first section of this summarises it well I think, largely because it’s quotes from Lando and Max: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/cj31kgre2g8o Ignore the last part when Andrea Brown starts trying to stir up stuff in the media again <doh>

    Moving on from that (non)pass - even if the right decision had been made yesterday, it would have been a great weekend from/for Max, losing only one point to Lando, in what turned out to be the third fastest car when it mattered.

    Outside of the title fight, I’d like to call out excellent performances from Colapinto (again) and Lawson. Lawson’s in particular was impressive as it combined race craft and tyre management in his first race back.

    Finally well done to team not606, we got through a race weekend- with some controversy - and with no “brat this, brat that” and no hoping x crashes into y, just mature reasoned posting that added to my understanding of some of the more complex issues. A+
     
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    Thanks Teach! :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  3. push

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    The closing laps of this race reminded me so much of the 1979 French Grand Prix when Gilles Villeneuve and Rene Arnoux really battled it out for second place ( I think ) because Jabouille was leading and infact won,but all the excitement was on those two banging wheels on and off the track massive lockups and just plain brilliant balls out racing.what would the stewards have to say about that lot these days? It makes F1 today look pathetic. Also, the commentry by Murray Walker was so much better than what we have to put up with today,measured and exciting but not yelling into the mic like some demented baffoon.
     
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    Yes, when Max and Lando clashed at the Red Bull Ring at the Austrian GP, Lando took the inside line forced Max wide, Max overtook Lando off track on the outside yet wasn’t penalised for doing what Lando did yesterday.
     
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    Was that the lap prior to the collision?
     
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  6. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    IIRC , a couple of drivers criticised them , but someone ( I think it was Lauda but might have been Andretti ) said they were 2 young lions trying to assert their dominance .

    And the commentary . Never see / hear those days again .
     
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  7. push

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    So true about the commentary,those days gone forever.
    I agree with a previous comment saying how they hate Formula 1,but can`t stop watching it.I feel the same,maybe it`s because we live in hope that one day it might return to the sport we knew and loved.
     
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    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    I agree .

    I have lived in hope of a return to the F1 I loved ,
    For quite a few years now
     
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  9. Sportista

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    I have mixed views on this, in terms of is F1 trending worse or better?

    Philosophically, I don’t like things like the cost cap or the RRA, but you have to say that these have contributed to both closer racing under this ruleset and in limiting the RedBull dominance compared to what has been typical post 2000.

    Oversaturation is definitely a problem especially when it’s coming also at the expense of great venues from the distant and recent past and some of the sport washing aspects that come along with that. We have however gained some good race tracks in Austin, Bahrain, Singapore (before it changed) and I think night races have added to F1.

    The driver talent pool I think is a positive and compares with many of the great eras of the past in the 60-80s.

    The stewarding, that triggered this discussion, needs to find its way. I do have sympathy with F1 here as they navigate the post Whiting era (another single figure was not the right answer), whilst simultaneously being surrounded by and having to keep up with other huge sports struggling with making the transition to technology.

    Hybrid engines were and continue to be a high price to pay for social acceptance, but unfortunately are a necessary evil. F1 knows this I think and will look to move away from them as soon as there is an acceptable/capable alternative. The Pirelli tyres however seem to be purely a commercial decision and I’d love to see that era come to an end.

    The “show” has been discussed before and doesn’t affect me as I don’t watch much other than the track action and that’s a choice everyone has, a positive of the focus here is that it means we’d never get the situation of Indianapolis 2005 again.


    I think we have to be careful looking back and remembering the things that stuck in our minds whilst filtering out the dull stuff. 1995 was a pretty rubbish season for example, but the main thing I remember from it was the European GP, which was an all time classic.
     
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  10. TopClass

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    Completely agree.

    Nowadays it’s David Croft trying to drop puns in or simply repeating his usual nonsense about tyre strategies. You can simply tell he isn’t a motor racing guy. Just a generic “broadcaster” and it shows in his commentary, his punditry, and journalism (his Driver Press conference questions wind me up no end).

    People had done half race distance on the mediums on Sunday and this clown was asking if he thought people would two stop. Brundle - in different words- almost told him to shut up I think and reminded him how good tyre life had been.

    It’s not a personal vendetta against him - it is the fault of the broadcast bosses who are utterly clueless in employing these people.

    He should work on Good Morning Britain or some rubbish like that where being a buffoon and being cringeworthily unfunny is a valued skill <laugh>

    Sam Matterface another prime example for ITV football whilst Clive Tyldesley twiddles his thumbs. Don’t get me started on Lee Dixon.

    Il say one thing- NFL culture is horrific- but they sure as **** know how to commentate on it over there.

    I’d like to see Brundles son introduced into F1 commentary, he’s got the pipes, poise and passion for it. He seems to understand commentating. Ideally we could do with an ex driver co-commentator but Hill and Button have been woeful, Rosberg is a good pundit but useless commentator, Di Resta tried and failed.

    Coulthard is good but Sky won’t sign him.

    I wonder if someone like a Seb Vettel could do it- he’s got the gravitas and passion for it.
     
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