I'm not keen on the idea of a foreign manager either. It seems a bit desperate and a bit wrong to be relying on the talents of other nations to help us win. I could see an argument for it if we were talking about Guardiola for example, but I'm a bit baffled by Tuchel's name being so prominent in the discussion. Is he really worth going foreign for? To me he seems to be a big name just because he's known for being a big name, I don't really know what about his record is supposed to be so appealing. I think we should be appointing the next Southgate; someone who has worked towards the role, knows the setup, the challenges and where we are as a footballing nation, what we're doing well and what we need to improve on. I don't like the idea of a reactionary appointment of a "big name" manager who is going to come in and rock the boat and probably still not win anything. I want to see continuous progress, not a return to the 00s era of chopping and changing and sometimes banning ketchup.
Why would it be ok to talk about Guardiola but not about Tuchel? You seem to be saying it's wrong to rely on foreign talent, unless they're really good. Unless I've misinterpreted your post...
I've still got an open mind about the nationality of the England manager, I'm just questioning PLT's argument.
I don’t think the manager particularly has to be English. Say someone like Arteta who has spent most his life here would probably be more acceptable, but not some random foreign manager like Tuchel. And not Scottish, Irish, Welsh, French or German either.
For me it’s completely different, with club football, it’s more about money, just about every club’s had a foreign manager, foreign players are prevalent across the board, but National manager is more about the job, there’s a weight that goes with it, to me it’s completely different & is more of an honour to manage your country. Club football has no loyalty,. Even for me, if I was a footballer & came up against Hull City, I’d try my hardest, because I’m getting paid to do it, I wouldn’t necessarily like it, but it wouldn’t be the be all & end all. If I was eligible for England & Scotland & Scotland called me up, I couldn’t even play for them. Maybe it’s a minority who see it like that, but I think if most people were given that scenario, they’d think twice about the International option.
I’m not talking about any manager taking it, I’m saying why it should really be an English man to get it.
I can't say that I'm against a foreign manager on principle, I'd just like an England manager who can win something. That said, why aren't the same rules applied to managers and coaches as applies to players; namely that you should be a national of the country you represent or manage?
Bookies seem to think it’s Tuchel. For what it’s worth and from a total football point of view Pep Guardiola is the only real answer to getting the best out of our talented bunch. Guardiola is a winner. His tactical brain and managerial record is second to none and his experienced at the higher level is perfect. He would improve and push England past the current semi final mentality and teach the squad how to play the press correctly. Failing that Eddie Howe probably fits the bill as being the best of the rest with his clean cut polite almost Brylcreem like attitude even the FA would find hard to resist. He deals with the ever demanding press well and would do a decent job improving England.
Guardiola wouldnt get the time he needs at international level with the players on the training ground
You’d imagine there are some nations that might not have any potential managers and coaching staff to choose from if there isn’t the infrastructure or pathways for an individual to get their coaching qualifications? It’s a lot more niche than wanting to play football, I guess.
England for the English on this matter. Already tried paying the big wad for top foreign club managers and it didn't work out and the best results have been under Southgate, with his girls PE teacher demeanour. Not sure I could stomach watching an England managed by a German... Goes against all point of international football .
I don't want a foreign manager, but I could understand an argument for going for someone much better than any available English manager. I wouldn't agree with that point of view but I'd understand it. With Tuchel I don't understand it at all.
I was going to say the same. Guardiola is clearly a brilliant manager, but being able to ignore FFP and most other practical limitations and just buy whoever he bloody wants in every position must make the job a hell of a lot easier.
