For me this has nothing to do with ability or usefulness, it's not a football question at all. It boils down to whether or not you agree with the morality of what he's done. It's entirely up to him, of course, whether he continues his career or holds his hands out for a bag of gold. After Liverpool he could've gone to plenty of other clubs and be very well paid. He could've, as people have, given something back in England by passing on his experience to young players here. Instead it was all about the money and nothing else ... ... sadly that seems to be where football is heading, some don't even want to have to play as much. Not many engineers are role models and local heroes tbf.
Well at the moment it’s about 30 against and 3 for, so I guess there’s your answer. Sunderland fans don’t want the old greedy twat anywhere near the club.
That's fantastic for him but it's history at this point. He's had two failed moves since then and is clearly past it. I see absolutely no current reason as to why we would bring him back at all.
Get what you're saying completely but that's a long and drawn out debate we've had 45 times since he signed on to take his blood money. The fact that he's clearly finished in the game kind of puts it to bed.
Neil is only going to get better, Henderson isn’t. Just because Neil’s stuttered a bit this season, that doesn’t mean he’s still not quality with even more potential. Last season he was the one player no-one wanted to see get injured as no-one could do what he was doing,
The fact he put himself forward as footballs beacon of all thing moral, took the money in Saudi, then churned out the usual painted by numbers lies and excuses as to why he'd left his morals in England? Any other footballer i wouldnt have batted an eyelid but if there was one footballer in the whole world that I would have banked my house on of not even considering going to Saudi Arabia it would have been him. I mean, on the one hand, sending messages of support to fellow footballers coming out as gay for example, then on the other, being a poster boy for, and accepting flipping great wodges of cash from, a society which would hand out death sentences instead. In general he ended up making himself look a right cock.
but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primary and perpetuating the use of child labour. I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.
I mean, people who shop at Primark (if that's what you're referring to) are generally relatively not well off people who have little choice but to spend as little as they can on clothes. Worth pointing out that almost all options on the high street use cheap foreign labour. A bunch of Primark shoppers have no power to change this, they don't benefit from it, they are imprisoned by the system. Jordan Henderson is a multimillionaire who sold out the people he purported to support for more millions to add to his already staggering pile of millions. These two things are not much like each other at all.
I'm not outraged, just disappointed. Henderson's principles were faux, he couldn't have proved that more conclusively.
Saudi money comes primarily from oil which is used by industrial nations to power their manufacturing as well as keeping homes and cities functioning, why are we mad at the Saudi's? Because they're Muslims and therefore have ethics that are different from ours? The whole thing is a house of cards.
Of course - but has he got much better since we came up? The goal is promotion and we need to set ourselves up as best possible to achieve that, and putting one older head amongst the talent we have shouldn’t be seen as a negative. Sam Morsy is 33 and was absolute head and shoulders above Dan Neil last season whilst having a relatively average career before last year.
He was in and out of the team with injuries and average form last year as Ajax finished 35 points off top in fifth place. This year his most notable achievement on the pitch is going viral for falling out with a young teammate, story seems to be that he now can't get into the team and he's either shopping himself about or he's being shopped about. It's been a disaster of a move in footballing terms, it has pretty much finished his career off after his Saudi disaster. Good for getting him out of the desert and going a very small way towards laundering his soiled reputation though.
I don’t think that’s correct mate he only joined Ajax late January and they only lost 2 or 3 times in the league after he joined - ironically he wasn’t on the pitch for any of those losses. They had a torrid start to the season I think new manager came in and they finished fairly strong in comparison to their first half of the season iirc they were bottom or second bottom for a while and still managed europa league qualification which he’s played every game of this season I think.
I've been following and all I've seen from their fans is scorn to be honest. I don't read/speak Dutch though so I might be getting a weirdly slanted opinion for a non-representative section of the internet.
The lad has great leadership skills, so may return as a coach, or even head coach one day. Signing as a player is not for me.
