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Confirmed: Russell Martin has been sacked

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Osvaldorama, Sep 19, 2023.

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Martin out?

  1. Right now, he's worse than Guardiola

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  2. Give him one more game

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  3. Give him until next international break

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  4. Stick with him, he'll turn it round

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  5. No point in sacking now, wait until end of the season

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  1. Billy Bates

    Billy Bates Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, i do remember when Ronald hadnt won a game all season, and his tactics provided almost every goal conceded to the opposition.
     
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  2. Billy Bates

    Billy Bates Well-Known Member

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    The issue with this philosophy is that if this happens, we wont get a chance to rebuild in the same vein with continuity as a fair few of the players wont be here. So it would be a constant state of flux.

    Also, not sure about the getting better at managing the game when we are winning. I thought we have only been ahead in 1 game this EPL season?

    Did Martin say anything about why there were 3 unmarked Ipswich players on the edge of the box during that game?
     
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  3. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    On the flip side… I just don’t get this “keep him at any costs”.

    His record isn’t amazing, wherever he’s been. We were ok last year, nothing special. He came 4th in a 3 horse race. Even during the unbeaten run we conceded a lot. At no point did we tear the league up.

    If we can get Potter, Moyes or someone that can turn us into an actual premier league level side again, why wouldn’t we do that? Just because our hipster owners want to reinvent football.

    Truthfully, I actually agree that he still deserves more time. People are correct that we are still a new team. There were also some signs at the weekend that there is something to build on - even though I thought Ipswich outclassed us for most of the game.

    But if we still haven’t won soon, something has to change. We have massive games against Leicester and Everton coming up. We need to be going into those positively.

    It’s becoming clear that we don’t have strikers capable of keeping us up, so a more defensive/pragmatic manager may be required.
     
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  4. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Agree with your general point but on your final paragraph I'd say we were actually too slow to pull the trigger - Ralph should have gone in the summer imo.
     
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  5. SAINTOSPREY

    SAINTOSPREY Well-Known Member

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    No chance of a fairy tale ending...
     
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  6. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    I think RM just needs to take a more pragmatic approach to the way we play different teams.
    He knows which teams like to press high and which teams don’t and he should be sending the teams out to play in accordance with that.
    Bournemouth like to press, so he should be looking at getting the ball forward more quickly with balls over the midfield and ask the front line to win the ball or immediately press the opposition and get the ball back in an area where it is safer to fanny around with the passing.
    Man Utd don’t press which allowed us to move the ball around and dominate for the first 30 minutes.
    Horses for courses.
     
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  7. Lemons and Oranges

    Lemons and Oranges Well-Known Member

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    Nah, we'll all live happily ever after
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Honestly, how long do you think Moyes would last before the fans started complaining about style? I didn't want him to leave, but I could understand why, despite getting us 3 Euro seasons in a row and winning one of them, a large section of the crowd wanted him gone. 20% possession and set up to defend against the dross of the league at home isn't what they pay the entrance fee for.
     
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  9. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    I really don’t see things improving much with the players we have. The system we play just isn’t good enough for this level. It’s going to take a good half season for the new players to settle in to his style.
     
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  10. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    How's that working out for you?
     
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  11. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah I wouldn't want him despite rating him as a manager.

    Our squad also isn't suited at all to the way Moyes plays. Not to mention he'd never come here.

    Complete non starter.
     
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  12. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Pretty much as I expected tbh.
     
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  13. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    I’m quite surprised - thought he’d be decent for you. Cascarino was saying he was surprised you got rid of JWP as you really missed his set pieces.
     
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  14. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    Is it better than passing backwards and sideways until we inevitably concede from giving it away or a badly marked set piece though?
     
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  15. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    It's the same as that, but with half the possession.
     
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  16. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    I don’t get this. We’re in the top flight now. The best way to become established is not to get thrashed all season, go down and hope you get promoted again.
     
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  17. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    You would hope SR have a shortlist already.
     
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  18. Billy Bates

    Billy Bates Well-Known Member

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    Come on everyone. A few hours from now he will be the toast of the South Coast.

    Or he will simply be toast.
     
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  19. Saintmagic

    Saintmagic Well-Known Member

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    Can’t seen any scenario where he isn’t in charge for the Arsenal game tbh
     
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  20. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Agreed. Even if SR wanted to sack him they'd wait until the international break.
     
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