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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Don’t these jerks usually just spawn another nutter to lead them? It’s like a hydra. The seeds of several more generations of hatred have been sown, by all sides, over the last year, unless something radical happens.
     
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    Depends on Iran mate

    The new President Pezeshkian is a reformer and may take this opportunity to build bridges with the US and EU as he spoke last week at the UN

    The Iranians have held back from retaliating for the assassination of Haniyeh

    Hezzbollah will be set back many years from this, as Nuts said, maybe the beginning of the end

    I hope so and that some sort of order can finallh be established in Lebanon
     
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  3. Taffvalerowdy

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    Wonder if there’ll be a post-election song?
     
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    Duffield has always been an independent and rather odd spirit. Her criticisms are about character and judgement as well as policy. I can’t see what the budget will change about character and judgement.

    The policy, at least financial policy, side looks to be crumbling as well. If all the people actually eligible for pension credit take it up it will cost more than taking the winter fuel allowance away from those getting more than £11k a year, so no contribution to filling the ‘black hole’ there. The non dom policy, meant to raise £1bn (a pretty paltry amount) is in doubt because it will only take a few rich people to leave, taking their spending with them, for that to cost money as well and so that is being re thought. Reeves is going to play with the definitions to give herself borrowing headroom while staying within the self imposed ‘rules’ by redefining my daughters student debt (and everyone else’s) as a government asset (even though it is estimated that less than 30% of debts incurred to 2023 will be repaid in full). Also they plan to redefine the debt that is the government bail out stake in Nat West as an asset. I’m wondering why the Tories didn’t play these tricks. Probably because the markets will see though it and the cost of borrowing will rise as a consequence. So that leaves us with Inheritance Tax, which is pretty small beer, and CGT. Fair enough, that’s what you would expect, let’s see what it actually means.

    Meanwhile, Starmer and Streeting are
    parroting a new slogan - ‘the NHS must reform or die’. I wish someone would challenge them on what the NHS ‘dying’ actually looks like and why they would let that happen if the totally undefined ‘reform’ doesn’t happen, and of course whether they agree that the ‘death’ of the NHS on their watch would be their responsibility.
     
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  7. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    I probably wouldn’t have stood for Labour in the recent election if I was that desperate to be in opposition but then I would quite like £85k a year to squawk from the outside rather than achieve anything useful.
     
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  8. Stroller

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    If scrapping the WFA means that the 880,000 not currently taking up their pension credit entitlement will now benefit from it, that can only be a good thing. If it means that the saving to the Treasury is lower, so be it. Cancelling gifts to rich pensioners and passing on the savings to the poorest pensioners is sound redistribution. By the way, the £11k is where pension credits would apply, so those losing the £300 would have to be getting significantly more.

    Bending the fiscal rules to allow borrowing for investment would be a positive, Keynesian, move. Spending on building new hospitals, schools and prisons would boost economic growth. All good.

    Let's see what they actually do before trashing it.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    No I need Barry and Sheila in a £750k house they bought for 50p and paid off 20 years ago to keep getting £300 to subsidise their two cruises a year thank you.
     
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  10. Stroller

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    Is there no one in the Middle East that Israel won't attack? ****s.
     
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  11. Star of David Bardsley

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    Depends if there’s anyone in the Middle East who won’t attack Israel. What now?
     
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    Never going to end.
     
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    Israel (or at least this administration) doesn't want it to end.
     
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    When will Israel stop?
     
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  15. Star of David Bardsley

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    Stop what? I assume they’ve knocked out a few more of Hezbollah’s more important bods or had another go at Houthis but I don’t know what you’re specifically on about. They’re being attacked on several fronts with Iran behind all of it so my guess would be no time soon.
     
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    When will it stop slaughtering innocent women and children in Gaza? When will it stop indiscriminate attacks on neighbouring states? When will it stop its deliberate expansion of conflict in the Middle East?

    The UK should withdraw all military support for Israel in my opinion.
     
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  17. Star of David Bardsley

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    Fortunately people who know a lot more about the situation than you are making the decisions if this is what you’ve taken from all this.
     
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    You're quite right, I know little about the situation, but I would suggest that you know little more. I don't understand how anybody could defend Israel's actions in Gaza.

    Here's a thing. I get the need for a Jewish state (I think), but why does it have to be there? Put it in Rwanda.
     
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  19. Star of David Bardsley

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    Might be a tad late for that. I’m glad you think you get there’s a need for a Jewish state.
     
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  20. kiwiqpr

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    I suppose if you don't want to be attacked by Israel then you shouldn't attack Israel

    Could be right though
    Must be lots of historical links with Rwanda
     
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