Set piece = corner + free-kick. https://trigger-the-press.com/premier-league-set-pieces-67593/ Are you saying Spurs concede twice as many free kicks as the best in the PL ??
The majority of set pieces near goal are corners. We concede more than twice as many corners as Arsenal. Data on free kicks that are scoring opportunities is harder to come by but I think it is a small enough number not to affect the conclusion.
Without the "source data" on the set piece goals (which you appear to have, and no doubt will cite) ... Assume them lot : 1. conceded 3/4 goals from corner / free kicks 2. faced 150/50 corner / free kicks then if Spurs are suffering from equal rates but increased volumes they : 3. conceded 6/8 goals from corner / free kicks 4. faced 300/100 corner / free kicks Is this what the source data you have is showing you (equal rates but 2x the volume - you have suggested so for corner kicks ) ?? If so, then your claim that reducing the volume is the solution, is sound. If the source data is showing different rates, then one would need to see how much better/worse they are. Those rates that are worse may still have the same (bad) outcome even if the volumes are equalised. As Spurs go, I suspect the rates for one of the measures is significantly worse (but the source data will show the truth of that) .
This link claims to have set piece goals conceded last season https://trigger-the-press.com/premier-league-set-pieces-67593/ It says 7 by Arsenal, 14 by Spurs This site has the number of corners conceded per match https://www.fctables.com/england/premier-league/2023_2024/ It says 2.97 for Arsenal and 6.21 for Spurs. I can't find any data on the number of dangerous free kicks conceded so I simply decided to ignore that and divided corners conceded by set piece goals conceded which implies Spurs are slightly better at defending than Arsenal. I could be miles out if Arsenal have conceded a lot more free kicks than us but that doesn't seem likely. But my main point is that the number of goals conceded from set pieces is a pretty meaningless statistic unless you know the number of set pieces conceded. And everyone just assumes that 14 being higher than 7 shows we are worse at defending them than Arsenal which is untrue
No of corners conceded per set-piece goal conceded in 23/24. Manchester City 42.69 West Ham 28.26 Brentford 24.24 Fulham 23.51 Wolverhampton Wanderers 22.31 Everton 21.90 Bournemouth 21.32 Manchester United 19.92 Crystal Palace 19.68 Chelsea 17.27 Tottenham 16.86 Brighton 16.68 Arsenal 16.12 Newcastle United 15.99 Sheffield United 15.89 Burnley 15.06 Liverpool 15.01 Luton 11.90 Nottingham Forest 11.14 Aston Villa 10.07 City miles better than everyone. Spurs and Arsenal bang average. If anyone has the data for free kicks conceded in scorable areas I will use that as the numerator.
So we come back to the issue being number of corners conceded. Obviously we should look to improve defensively too but volume appears to be the issue?
So in summary you : 1. don't have all the salient source data to say anything about the corner goals conceded rate for Spurs and them lot. 2. appear to believe the number of corners conceded by Spurs (the Y in the X/Y measure) is twice as much as them lot, is the major point. Which is an incorrect analysis.
My point is the way that I have done the analysis is more likely to be correct than ignoring the denominator entirely which is what everyone one else is doing.
If team 1 concedes a total of X goals from Y corners, then a team 2 that concedes X/2 goals from Y corners has to concede twice as many corners for their total goals conceded to match that of team 1. How much better your concede rate is determines how more Y you can tolerate before your total goals matches that of your opponents. If your rate is equal/worse, then by definition you cannot tolerate that much additional Y.
Dan KP interview with the Langenator https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1fvu7th/johan_lange_interview_with_dan_kilpatrick/
Good move too, Anderlecht’s a huge club. Reunites with Super Jan as well, albeit he’s injured at the moment.
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I think that the full quote is more rounded and sensible: “From my perspective, it’s about what everyone wants me to do is what everyone else does. Now, I’m just not going to do that because there’s a reason I’m here today, it’s not because I’ve done what everyone else does. “So I think everyone has their own unique journey to get to somewhere, I didn’t get here by doing what everyone else is doing. “So I get the people who say ‘be more pragmatic’ like everyone else – But I don’t want to be like everyone else. What others see as stubbornness or me being dogmatic, I just see it as real belief in what I’m doing.” I get what he's saying. He's had success doing things differently to a lot of people. The only way to find out if it'll work with us is to keep at it. If we want pragmatism, then we should get a different manager. They'll probably be better at it.
