That phone hacking thing was despicable and anyone behind that should be hung drawn and quartered and if a similar sinister plot is behind the Gary Speed rumour story then forget everything I said and weld the ****ers eyes and mouths shut. Rupert Murdoch and his son should be assasinated the ****ing pricks. In fact if the rumours are true it wouldn't suprise me if Rupert Murdoch was behind it all.
I think that's what you call a 'U-turn'. I don't think anyone should be burnt at the stake. I do hope, however, the if anyone did advise Gary in a chilling, threatening manner that they were going to ruin his life (whilst in fact inadvertently ending it by default), that they have a conscience and level of guilt that they will never be able to shrug off. I think I'm kidding myself though as these are what I like to call 'proper ****s'.
After reading Paul mcmullans testimony it is clear the tabloid hacks have no morals, conscience or guilt. Hope they die a painful, lonely death and burn fuelled by all the pain and suffering they have caused others in their lives
if the reporteven is true, we will never know. If a newspaper issued such a story now the public backlash would be immense.Its best to think that noone knows what demons haunt other people
The problem is , if the media want to highlight the depression angle (something the general public consider to be a worthy cause for highlighting) then it needs to be factually accurate , which sadly means a bit of digging by the press. Now if its about his sexuality then again even if the press would want to keep it under their hat (unlikely , but most press will report it in a second hand way as the so called broadsheets do) they would still have to dig for the ...ahem truth. The guy wont rest in peace and his family wont be left quietly because , as i say , this is a celebrity suicide and a whole host of people latch on , whatever their agenda , good or bad .
When I first heard about it the only reasons I could think why anybody would commit suicide could be because they were involved in a financial scandal, they were gay and it was about to come out, their partner was going to leave them or a close family member had been diagnosed with an incurable disease. I also thought of depression because it can be a medical thing and not based on any actual problems. Nobody had mentioned a financial scandal or incurable disease and depression and marital problems seemed to have been ruled out. This only left being gay. While people seem to accept being gay a lot more than they used to in the Justine Fashanu era and because Gary Speed was well liked I don't think there would have been a big issue I would think it would still be embarrassing for the person involved. I would think that any papers who had the story wouldn't want to publish as they would be seen as being the cause of Gary Speed's death. Although I am a believer in the freedom of the press it does seem wrong to invade a person's privacy when there is no good reason. I can understand the press exposing a politician who makes out that they have a happy family life to get votes when in fact they are having affairs or are gay. I don't see any reason for digging into the lives of "musicians", comedians, footballers, etc. but I understand that people like a bit of gossip. It seems perfectly reasonable to make any reporting of private lives in these cases illegal. Maybe the Leveson enquiry will make recommendations on this.
If the rumours are true, and I worked for the paper in question, I would have nicked some evidence and sold it to a rival paper. Imagine the paycheck they'd give you for that, you'd be minted for life. I don't think I'm the only one who would do this hence I believe the allegations are false and Gary Speed was in fact murdered by a close friend. Probably for winning all his money at poker that night.
By some chance have u lost or won some money at poker recently cause you seem to be mentioning it quite a lot recently!!! lol
Off topic now slightly, but if that was the case then surely we wouldnt read anything in newspapers other than regurgitated press releases. Remember Ryan Giggs and the most front covers this decade - what's the difference? He couldve easily said it was private and are the papers not meant to print it? Same applies for John Terry.
I guess you are right. It's easy to say you will never buy the Daily Star if you never buy it anyway (which I don't). I don't buy any papers these days thanks to the internet
This is the first I have heard of this "rumour". I have been puzzled by why he did it. I know people who have suffered depression say it can be hidden and nobody would have known how bad he felt but I just can't believe that he would be OK for so long, have a normal day and then hang himself, something must have triggered it so maybe that was it. I am not sure if it has been confirmed whether he left a note or not. I hope for his family's sake that he did and they can come to terms with the reason whatever it was because if he didn't I just can't imagine the anguish and the torment they must be going through just wondering why. OK so there is no shame in being gay but if that is the case and his family knew nothing about it then it blows all of their lives to pieces doesn't it, maybe he could not live with that. Of course it may just be a rumour and we will never know the reason.
Don't think he's said anything out of turn. I think people have gone out of their way to qualify any opinion with the proviso 'if true' or 'allegedly'. No one knows for sure, pretty ****ing obvious. But since you've told us we're wrong and naughty for it, we'd better stop eh? Soz boss. Additionally, if you think the thread's **** (and I'm sure this gets said a lot) just don't post on it. Again, pretty ****ing obvious. I choose not to post on threads all the time to save me the inanity of it. Current news story innit Ben? People are gonna speculate. Live with it.
Leeds 18 When someone writes that they would like to set a dog on a person in this context, it is not a litteral truth but an expression of the level of anger that the writer feels. Normally this is not seen on internet forums as real intent. Football forums are best described as online pub tables where conversation takes place in loose terms. You do not have to agree with what is posted and nothing can stop you joining in, but to take anything posted on here as "real" is daft. The thread is quite right. We are seeing the media, for what they are. But people still buy and read newspapers. There still is a frenzy surrounding celebrity and sports story lines that intrude into private live. The media loves a human interest story (their terms not mine). The inner working of someones private and personal lives becoming detailed for all to see. Who can understand what motivates seemingly professional people, to this level of intrusion? Money by itself cannot be the sole motivator, it has to be ego or self importance. Prehaps we should elavate all gossip column journos to celebrity staus and they can publish details of their own private lives. We could prehaps set the rotweillers of Wapping on them rto be ripped apart in the tabloid press!
<<<"When I first heard about it the only reasons I could think why anybody would commit suicide could be because they were involved in a financial scandal, they were gay and it was about to come out, their partner was going to leave them or a close family member had been diagnosed with an incurable disease". My first thought was "**** me that's tragic" Why the **** would you make up in your head why he had done it. Unless you have mental health issues yourself???>>> Everybody was wondering why he had done it. <<<"I also thought of depression because it can be a medical thing and not based on any actual problems". It is a Medical Condition, not a "medical thing". What the **** is meant by "and not based on actual problems" Do you not think mental health problems are actual problems?>>> You could be depressed because you have lost your job. That doesn’t cause clinical depression. <<<"Nobody had mentioned a financial scandal or incurable disease and depression and marital problems seemed to have been ruled out. This only left being gay." So it must be ****ing true then!!>>> I was going through what I saw as the possibilities. I didn’t say it was true. <<<“What a ****, your powers of deduction should win you awards. These are, by far, the two most ****less sentences I have ever read on here.>>> You don’t think you are getting carried away? <<<"I would think that any papers who had the story wouldn't want to publish as they would be seen as being the cause of Gary Speed's death" You are now believing there is a story. You are imagining a situation and turning it into reality for yourself. You have convinced yourself the rumour is true.>>> I didn’t say I believe there is a story. I haven’t turned it into reality. I have not convinced my self the rumour is true. You are behaving very irrationally. <<<"Although I am a believer in the freedom of the press it does seem wrong to invade a person's privacy when there is no good reason. I can understand the press exposing a politician who makes out that they have a happy family life to get votes when in fact they are having affairs or are gay." But it's Ok for you to speculate and gossip on a public forum with no good reason. You have not heard he was in a financial scandal or his wife was leaving him or he or a close family member were not dying so therefore he must be gay.>>> I didn’t say he must be gay. You seem to be obsessed with the rumour of him being gay. <<<"I don't see any reason for digging into the lives of "musicians", comedians, footballers, etc. but I understand that people like a bit of gossip. It seems perfectly reasonable to make any reporting of private lives in these cases illegal. Maybe the Leveson enquiry will make recommendations on this" What about ****s reporting made up ****e on public forums and convincing themselves that as they can't think of any other reasons why, then it must be true. Should that not be illegal too?>>> What reporting? Who has said that anything must be true? <<<What a complete **** of a post!! Can you not see you are imitating the same press that you critisize. This makes you just as low.>>> What have I said about Gary Speed? I don’t know him. I have not been told anything about him. There has been speculation in the press and on the internet. I have simply gone through things as I, and I assume, many other people have done. <<<If you think "alledgdly" or "if true" makes it more acceptable then you're wrong.>>> These words do seem to be necessary when dealing with somebody in your present state. Nobody is making out they know anything about this story yet you are going round making false accusations that people think they know why Gary Speed hanged himself. <<<Current News story? What gay footballers? Nothing I've seen in the press recently about this subject.>>> The “current news story” referred to is Gary Speed’s death not gay footballers. I’ve never seen anybody get so many things wrong in such a short space of time.
The papers this week have been very keen to push the message that "we may never know why". So if they did know something then they're hastily brushing it under the carpet. "Being gay" is not a reason to hang yourself. But being a gay married father, living a double life for years, possibly might be. I actually don't think that football or dressing room culture is the problem here. I think it has more to do with family and expectation.
