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England Women's squad announced (South Africa 2011)

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  1. lahdarbheinn

    lahdarbheinn Member

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    Arran Brindle
    Charlotte Edwards
    Danni Hazell
    Danni Wyatt
    Georgia Elwiss
    Heather Knight
    Isa Guha
    Jenny Gunn
    Katherine Brunt
    Laura Marsh
    Lydia Greenway
    Sarah Taylor
    Susie Rowe
    Tammy Beaumont

    Based on the 15 used last summer, we have Tammy Beaumont in for retired Claire Taylor and Susie Rowe replaces Fran Wilson. Holly Colvin doesn't go because of University commitments.

    Given the unbelievable summer Tammy Beaumont has had with the bat (and she's a keeper as well) its no surprise she has made the tour. There could be some interesting batting line ups at the top of the order with a chance that the top 5 are all from Kent for at least one game (granted Danni Wyatt would have to be crocked for that to happen).

    Any 11 from the squad would make a more than capable team so hopefully the caps will be shared around a bit and everyone gets some geam time. It could be a tough series for South Africa but they need to play the top teams to prosper.
     
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  2. LurgMhor

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    Slightly surprised that Suzie Rowe made the squad - she's not had a particularly impressive domestic season, though opportunities for an innings with Kent have been scarce beyond No. 3 this year. An exemplary fielder though. Fran Wilson has failed to match her 2010 consistency for Somerset.
    Jenny Halstead (left hander) & Kathryn Doherty have performed well with the bat and the latter seems to be improving with the ball (red ones at least) since moving to a southern league club.

    Danni Hazell has had a lean time on the domestic front as well.

    I hope that Jenny Gunn will be back to bowling fitness for the tour (she played as a batsman only for Yorkshire last weekend) since I suspect that the other medium pacers are likely to be very hitable on South African wickets.
     
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  3. lahdarbheinn

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    LurgMhor, I can't disagree with your comments. Jenny Halstead must be particularly unlucky with 650 1st Division runs (way more than the 465 of Tammy Beaumont who made the tour - I think both should have gone). With 2 tours this winter I expected some Academy players to go on the South Africa tour because a full strength England team could make the tour quite one sided. Mindful that the next Katherine Brunt hasn't yet stepped up I thought Sonia Odedra might have been given a chance (62.2-10-233-13 in the CC this year) and (from the boundary at least) looks to be pretty quick.
    There are certainly a couple of current England players that are perhaps looking over their shoulder and need to perform in South Africa.
     
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  4. Barry Hainsworth

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    Hard to argue with the majority of the selections but I think the next generation of youth maybe a season or two away from breaking onto the international scene.

    Kent have yet again been the dominant county this summer in the championship. In the Super 8s there has been stronger competition across the counties.

    Susie Rowe has also suffered recurring injury problems at the beginning of the season that have resulted in her being in the Kent team as a batter rather than a bowling all-rounder, her fielding is also as mentioned top notch.

    The search for the next generation of women's quicks continues but taking the pace off the ball is the preferred strategy of the England team at the moment. Hopefully there will regular updates for the SA Tour rather than being overshadowed by the England ODI & T20 stuff...
     
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    Susie Rowe's batting this summer has been particularly limited because Lottie & Tammy have more or less dominated most of the innings and few other Kent batsmen have had a chance. I think Susie didn't even register an average because she batted 5 times (nearly always at the end of the innings) and was never dismissed. Likewise Lydia, massive run aggregate last season, had limited opportunities.
    Meawhile Lottie has won 2 competitions with England, 2 with Kent (county championship and T20) and the Premier League with Gunnersbury. Bet no one's done that before.
     
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    lahdarbheinn - I'll offer you Cheesy (Rosalie Birch) in 2003 as the closest comparable achievement I can think of: Test & ODI v S.Africa. Super 4's with the Diamonds. County Championship with Sussex. Premier League with Brighton & Hove. But captained none of them at the time! A fitting mention on the board since she has just finnished her playing career with Sussex.
     
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    An efficient series win on the back of several excellent batting performances. Again, the lower order batting was never needed.
     
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    What we did see was a sharing of the batting workload at key times by Edwards, Greenway, Brindle & Knight.

    In terms of bowling the successes were shared around, without Brunt we're short of an impact bowler but Lottie rotates the bowling to keep the batsmen guessing.

    A real whistle stop tour train & play and now for T20. NZ tour is longer with more time to appreciate their surrounding I guess.
     
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    Anyone have any idea why Morgan was preferred to Wyatt for the T20s? Seems a bit strange from my point of view especially with Morgan not being in the squad until Brunt's injury.
     
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  10. lahdarbheinn

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    I'm with you Fros23 on the selection of Morgan. Nearly fell off my seat when I saw that. Couldn't understand it at all. Either Wyatt or Elwiss should have played instead of Morgan in order that they both get more experience. Given the low chances of a No7 or No8 being needed with the bat against SA I simply don't understand what Mark Lane thought he would learn from putting Morgan in the team. Nothing against Morgan but, given the circumstances, quite a surprise.
    In fact I'll go further. I was surprised Morgan was the replacement. Surely there was a fast bowler (Odedra comes to mind) or two that could have replaced Brunt - and again got some international experience.
    I'd have had the same batting line up in T20 as we do in ODI - seems pointless leaving the pitch-hitter Wyatt out of the T20 lineup (perhaps she was injured ?).
    All in all a good tour (well good provided Brunt is not seriously crocked).
     
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    What do we think the squad will be for the Tour of New Zealand in February? I believe Holly will miss out because of Uni commitments again so will we see the same squad provided Brunt is fit?

    What's the situation with Shrubsole is she injured again?
     
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    When I spoke to Anya at the final of Quad ODI at Wormsley she reckoned she was crocked for the season - although I did think she in fact played later in the season. My guess, and its only a guess, is that she will be available for NZ.
    Heather Knight is also at University so will she be able to take two chunks out of her academic year ?
    Conversely Holly (who I reckon is seriously intelligent from what I can gather) may be able to tour having missed the SA tour. If Holly is available she will go (replacing HK if HK is unavailable, replacing ???? if HK is available).
    if Brunt is well again she will go. If not, well surely Anya or some other fast bowler will go.
    Dead certs I would think are Lottie, Lydia, Taylor (Squirt), Marsh (Boggie), Brindle, Gunn, Brunt, Colvin (if available), Wyatt, Hazell, Guha, Knight (if available).
    Possibles: Rowe, Shrubsole, Elwiss, Beaumont, Morgan, Wilson.
    Outsiders: Halstead, Odedra.
     
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    And now for a bit of end of tour T20 trivia (ODI to follow hopefully):-

    Danni Wyatt has the best T20 strike rate amongst England bowlers claiming a wicket every 10.38 balls and a wicket every 10.77 runs.
    The worst strike amongst current bowlers are
    Edwards at 34 runs per wicket and 32 balls per wicket and Isa Guha at 25 runs per wickets and 25 balls per wicket.

    Of England's 6 highest T20 partnerships, Sarah Taylor has been involved in 5 of them and Lottie in 4.
    The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th highest have involved Sarah Taylor and Lottie.

    The most ducks in T20 matches by an England player is 6 by Atkins (out of 10 dismissals)
    Conversely Beth Morgan has never been dismissed for a duck in 22 innings. Next best is Arran Brindle with 6 innings and Susie Rowe with 4 innings

    Jenny Gunn has taken 30 catches followed by Lydia Greenway with 22. Amazingly for a keeper Squirt is only 6th on the list with 8.

    Gunn's rapier throw has accounted for the most runouts with 6. Next is Wyatt, Greenway and Colvin on 5.

    Squirt has taken only 8 catches but 17 stumpings, followed by Beaumont with 4 and .... Claire Taylor with 2.

    Greenway has batted with more partners than any other England player in T20 having amassed 21 partners (Atkins CMG, Birch RA, Brindle A, Brunt KH, Colvin HL, Connor CJ, Edwards CM, Griffiths LP, Guha IT, Gunn JL, Hazell D, Knight HC, Marsh LA, Morgan BL, Rainford-Brent EJCLRC, Rowe SE, Shaw NJ, Taylor SC, Taylor SJ, Wilson FC and Wyatt DN). There have only been a total of 31 players that have played T20 cricket for England (and Greenway has played in a match with all of them - Jenny Gunn has also achieved this feat but Lottie hasn’t managed this having missed out on playing along side Charlie Russell against NZ on 16th August 2007).

    One cap wonders are Lucy Pearson, Charlie Russell and Georgina Elwiss (the latter who probably won’t be for very long).
     
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    Metcalfe SJ played 36 times for England, batted 28 times and was never dismissed for a duck. No one has batted more times and not had a duck.
    Sarah Taylor (aka Squirt) has nearly as impressive a record having had only 1 duck in 57 innings.
    Of the current Arran Brindle has only accrued 2 ducks in 61 innings.
    Of players that have batted quite a few innings Lucy Pearson has the highest percentage of ducks with 14 out of 32 innings.
    Fran Wilson and Margaret Wilks both 100% duck records having batted only once and got a duck. Wilson's was a golden duck.

    England's most common ODI partnership has been Tails and Lottie with 59 meetings at the crease. The next most common is Lottie and Laura Newton with 37 partnerships.
    Tails appears again with 28 partnerships with Clare Conner.

    Brindle and Greenways little knock about in South Africa was England's 3rd highest ODI partnership.
    Only Taylor (Squirt) and Atkins (Shaggy) with 268 and Bakewell & Thomas with 246 have done better.
    It was the 5th time that 2 England players have scored ODI centuries in the same match. Bakewell & Thomas, Hodges & Plimmer, Brittin & Daniels and Taylor SJ & Atkins are the other to achieve this.


    Isa Guha on 101 ODI wickets is still 1 short of CE Taylor's record of 102.

    ODI 'one cap wonders' is a horrible term but here is the list of players that have only played 1 ODI for England:-
    Wulcko E (against Australia on 25th July 1987)
    Peear M (against West Indies on 6th June 1979)
    Whichcord CL (against the Netherlands on 18th July 1995)
    Burnley L (against Ireland on 16th August 1990)
    Gough JM (against Young England on 18th July 1973)
    Read L (against Australia on 1st August 1976 - having played for Young England in the match above against England on 18th July 1973. This was classed as an ODI and as such Lynne Read is one of the few players to have played for and against England in an ODI)
    Rowe SE (against Australia on 9th January 2011)
    Powell Jill (against West Indies on 7th July 1979)

    Peear M and Rowe SE never batted or bowled.

    Further to Lynne Read’s achievement in playing both for & against England in an ODI, the complete list is:-
    S Goatman
    JM Greenwood
    R Heggs
    G Hullah
    K Jobling
    MA Lear
    GE McConway
    L Read
    DL Thomas
    M Wilks
    These players either played for Young England (World Cup 1973) or International XI (World Cup 1973 or World Cup 1981/82)


    Katherine Green has only bowled 2 balls for England whilst Pamela Mather sent down 33 overs in her career without a wicket.

    Lear (2-2-0-1) and Moralee (7-4-6-3) are the most economic bowlers in terms of runs per over (no surprise there).
    Many of the bowlers in early ODIs have outstanding eco rates because scoring was so slow.
    Katharine Brunt is the most eco of the current bowlers at 3.27 with Danni Wyatt the least at 4.88

    Laura Marsh has played in England’s last 36 ODIs, stretching back to 12th March 2009 against Pakistan in the ICC Women's World Cup 2009. That’s the longest continuous streak back from the present. The longest continuous streak is at least 53 (Karen Smithies). Sarah Taylor has managed 49 continuous caps – more incredible was that this run started with her very first cap on 14th August 2006 and went unbroken to 7th July 2009 (and would have reached 50 had not the ODI against SA on 18th August 2008 not been washed out without a ball being bowled). This is certainly England’s longest continuous streak from first cap.

    The team sent out in the Quadrangular final was the highest capped team England have ever sent out, equalling the record set against NZ on 15th July 2010. In both cases the team had a collective 758 caps.
     
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    As suggested above but now confirmed ....

    Karen Smithies holds the England record for longest sequence of continuous ODI caps with 53. This is followed by Sarah Taylor with 49, Claire (Tails) Taylor with 46 and Clare Connor with 43.

    Sarah Taylor holds the record for the longest sequence of continuous ODI caps from their 1st cap with 49. Jane Smit is 2nd with 39 - clearly England don't like changing their keeper too often ! Heather Knight is currently on an unbroken sequence of 19 from her first cap.

    Looking at cap sequences also gives an interesting insight into selection. If one ignores cases where a player is unavailable or injured it seems pretty clear that the following players form the core of the ODI team : Edwards, Brindle Greenway, Gunn, Brunt, Colvin, Taylor, Marsh, Knight and Wyatt.
     
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    In 54 matches as England keeper Sarah Taylor has conceded only 102 byes (an average of only 1.89 byes per game). This is only bettered by PA Lovell who kept for only one match and conceded 1 bye and AJ Stinton who kept for 5 matches and conceded 8 byes.
    Of the four keepers that have kept for England more than 20 times the bye average is Taylor (1.89), Smit (2.19), Hodges (3.19) and Nye (3.76). Of course, for I know, the bowlers going back a few years might have sprayed it around a lot more than the present crop or the pitches been a bit more dodgy.
     
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    Thought Holly Colvin was youngest ever international player for England women ? Well not so. Holly is the youngest Test player but only the 5th youngest on ODI debut. Leanne Clare Davis (b 26th April 1985) played on ODI on 1st July 2000 and is the youngest closely followed by Laura Harper (b. 22nd Jan 1984, ODI debut 19th July 1999), Isa Guha (b 21st May 1985, ODI debut 10th August 2001) and Anya Shrubsole (b 7th Dec 1991, ODI debut 14th Aug 2008).
    Kathleen Green was one month short of 56 years old when making her ODI debut on 14th July 1973 .... the oldest England ODI debutant by about 20 years. Kathleen passed away in 1997.
     
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    Q: Which two current England players has captained England in an ODI ?
    A: Well Lottie of course and …. Arran Brindle - way back in 2001 in the Women's European Championship.

    Q: Who was the youngest England ODI captain ?
    Arran Brindle holds the record for the youngest ODI captain having been only 19 on 10/08/2001 when she captained England. England tended to adopt a youth selection policy for the Women's European Championships (for example for the 1st match of the 1999 such championship England played a team with 9 new caps in it – average age 20.46 – and this was beaten with the team that Arran captained on 10/08/2001 at 18.23 years). England have sent out 104 teams with an average age greater than 26 but the last time that happened was on 30th August 2005, so the last 83 have averaged under 26.


    Q: Which players have captained England on their 1st ODI cap ?
    A: Rachael Heyhoe-Flint, Susan Goatman and Ella Donnison.

    Q: Which players have captained England on their last ODI cap ?
    A: Mary Pilling, Janet Southgate, Susan Goatman, Jane Powell, Clare Connor, Ella Donnison and ……… Nicky Shaw (yes that one surprised me).

    Susan Goatman (15) and Ella Donnison (3) are the only players to have been captain for all of their ODI caps.

    Ella Donnison is the only England captain to have captained as keeper. In one of these 3 matches, against the Netherlands on 19/07/1999, the Dutch captain (Pauline te Beest) was also their keeper. Current captaining keepers include Jodie Field (Australia) and Merissa Aguilleira (West Indies).

    Most times as captain: Lottie (78 and counting), Connor (66) and Smithies (45).
     
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    So here's the squad:-
    Charlotte Edwards (Kent, capt), Jenny Gunn (Yorkshire), Tammy Beaumont (Kent), Arran Brindle (Sussex), Georgia Elwiss (Sussex), Lydia Greenway (Kent), Isa Guha (Berkshire), Danni Hazell (Yorkshire), Heather Knight (Berkshire), Laura Marsh (Kent), Beth Morgan (Middlesex), Susie Rowe (Kent), Anya Shrubsole (Somerset), Sarah Taylor (Sussex), Danni Wyatt (Staffordshire).

    So its Anya for the rested Brunt. Colvin still at University.

    Surprised that Jenny Halstead hasn't been taken - if the County Championship is supposed to mean anything then she should have gone on her form last summer.
     
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    No real surprises but a lingering question about who is the future spearhead for the England attack?

    Plenty of batting and slow bowling options but to develop a balanced team to beat the Aussies in the next series we need bowling strength in depth...
     
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