Saturday

While I think the best way to respect the dead is a minute silence, I always worry that some idiot will spoil it, but with applause the idiots dont get the chance.

But there wont be any idiot's on Saturday even Tash, He has his opinons that's fine.

 

I hate that thought, I really like the minutes applause, but I find the idea of it being 'to drown out any boos' offensive. Any boos should be allowed to be heard and those around them should be allowed to give them a kicking without reprisal...

I'm sure a minutes silence for Speedo would be properly observed.

 

This thread is about the tributes to Speed on Saturday, we're all here to give our opinions on the topic of this thread. Tash shared his opinion and while I don't agree with him, I don't see it as too outlandish really; he didn't know Speed and he is also obsessed with watching football matches so it figures that he'd be more interested in the game at hand.

I don't see how it is insensitive at all, Tash just doesn't see the tribute to Speed this weekend as his biggest interest. He hasn't said anything about life or death being more or less important than the football game, just a song and a round of applause. A song and a round of applause which means equally nothing when compared to the fact that a man is dead and his family have to come to terms with it.

With regards to his comment on being 'focussed', it is important to him because he loves football. I often focus my thoughts on a concert I might see at the weekend or a book that I'm reading. I'd love to know why that means I need to get over myself.

Bottom line of my point is that this is an overreaction. We're all sad to see a former player and nice guy lose his life, but there's no need to instantly leap and attack whenever somebody says they find something else more interesting.

 

It would be nice to do a Leeds and score 4 goals.

 

Even better to score 11.

 

Your greedy OT but if we have 10 and get a pen, think Tim should have a go.

 

I find it strange you try and justify it, but , as someone who seems so intent on allowing people to have their opinion, let me have mine, and voice it. I think it was insensitive and unnecessary... and the phrasing just gave it an air of self importance which i personally didn't like, however much you want to defend it through something about focusing on concerts or whatever.

EDIT: As for getting over yourself, if I told you someone had died and you told me you weren't bothered as you were too busy focusing on your book I would tell you to get over yourself - as some things demand respect regardless of selfish persuit of entertainment. It's a fairly obvious point.

Anyway, this thread was about Speed and tributes to him (hence why HMT should have kept out if he wasn't interested) so we should get back to that. I would also prefer a silence but unfortunately I think the club have made their decision. I like the idea of singing his name on 11 mins a-la Leeds.

 

Bolded comment: Tash has not said he is more interested in the football match than the death of a person, he has said that the match interests him more than the tribute being made, and in my previous post I addressed that already.

And I have not once said I think you should keep your opinion to yourself, so your request to hear yourself heard is needless because I have never had a problem with you saying as you please. You however seem to want yourself to be heard but not Tash, as you say in your final paragraph that he should have kept out of it. The topic is on the Speed tributes on Saturday so if somebody says that find those tributes uninteresting it doesn't mean that they find the death and loss for the surviving family uninteresting.

 

Of course he has the right to his opinion. I respect freedom of speech completely and I wasn't in any way offended by the comment. Far from suggesting he's not allowed to say what he thinks, all I was doing was questioning the wisdom of his choice to actually bother doing it in this particular thread, which I also have every right to do.

I do understand your point Skalpel. I guess it's just different posting styles. Personally I read the OP then move on if I'm not interested in the topic, I don't think commenting telling everyone I'm not interested serves much purpose really.

 

All I'm saying is, I'm sure HMT can find time in his busy schedule of "focusing" to spend 1 min paying tribute to someone who helped the club become what it is today - or even just let others have their time to do so and chat about it. I felt his comment diminished the importance of the thread which was unnecessary.

I have opinions about lots of things that people won't like but I don't just go around saying them as they might offend people - it's common decency, so I don't think that's an argument for allowing people to say whatever they like on a forum, and not get a reaction. I feel my criticism in this case was wholly justified, as backed up by 4 or 5 people who had a similar criticism.

 

Good response and fair point. I can see how given the context it'd be easy to say that he could just have kept out of it and ignored it if he wasn't interested but I see that somebody saying they "don't find X event as important as everybody else seems to" just as valid an opinion on the topic of X event as anything else.
On another note, it's interesting that despite disagreeing with him, I've been seemingly fighting the corner for the guy who made one comment and buggered off . Ah well.

 

It's a thread for people that are interested, so maybe stick to your own threads, and maybe learn some respect.


Anyway, I can't make it to the Chelsea game, but I hope Speedo is given a great sendoff, the man deserves it.

 

Yeah, I honestly think he wouldn't have had the reaction off so many if he'd explained his point of view better, hell, at all. Colly Ameobi expressed something fairly similar but wasn't berated for it, because he actually bothered to back up his argument even if people didn't agree with it.

 

I get my fair share of stick on this forum, but what I don't understand is why people comment on posts they are either not interested in or just to cause upset or 'controversy'.

If you dont feel comfortable about applauding one of ex-players who never let the team down and was a top man, then keep it to yourself and ignore this thread.

You dont need to comment of everything on here. F*ck me.

 

just read this and instead of uniting us a death of a toon legend seems to have done the opposite

do what you preach

 

Sorry, I love Gary Speed and I felt sick when I heard he died, but at the moment I'm totally focused on the game.

It doesn't mean I don't care ffs.

 

I never comment on things regarding HMT but I will for once. I'm not going to have a go at Tash, he is, as some have said, entitled to his opinion. However as with every social situation it is sometimes wise to keep that opinion to yourself in order to not cause offence to others. A simple word of advice would be to write a post then read it through again and think 'is this going to cause offence?' - basically think before speaking. That way we may also stay on point which is the remembrance of not just a footballer but a wonderful person whose life was ended prematurely.

 

I hope the players respect the memory of Gary Speed, but at the same time I hope none of them get too upset about it but they need to be in the right frame of mind.

I do care about Gary Speed, but at the moment the game on Saturday is what I'm thinking about the most.

 

I don't believe anyone doubts that, just at the end of the day (cliché alert) football is only a sport and as much as I love the club and the team with a passion, it is only a sport.

 

i don't think anyone thinks that ..well i hope not

your a young lad who's heart is in the right place and twating you over the head for a comment is a bit daft when compared to what has been posted and when people have voiced their concerns they get called attention seekers and whiners ....what a ****ed up world we live in