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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, May 11, 2024.

  1. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree about Watkins, all this is in my earlier posts. As is my reasoning as to why gung ho football doesn't win you internation tournaments. History shows that you either have to be far and away the standout side or your side has to be built on a strong defence.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    OK, take Venables out, it was just an example of how we can occasionally play good football.

    My point stands about Southgate.

    If we'd kept Spain at 1-1, and won the Euros on penalties, it would've been a travesty for football imo.

    I don't think we played half an hour of good football in the entire tournament.
     
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  3. alcoauth

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    Southgate stepping down, I'd like to see the Mags manager take it.
     
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  4. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Has to be an English manager and I’d be happy with Potter.
    In fact it should be mandatory that the manager of an international team is the same nationality of the team he manages.
     
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  5. alcoauth

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    Seems a bit extreme <laugh>

    I would say there's obvious benefits to having a manager from the country he is managing, but to make it mandatory seems ott mate. Have a nice cuppa, it'll all be ok in the end.
     
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  6. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I don’t see why that’s extreme at all, it applies to players so why not the manager as well?
     
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  7. The Norton Cat

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    If England won a tournament with a foreign manager, it would always be "England invented the game but can't win without help from outside".
     
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  8. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    International competitions are supposed to be a test of a nation's prowess ...

    ... as the manager is the most important person, if Guardiola won the Euros with England it would be part Spanish.
     
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  9. FellTop

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    I 100% agree. Every nation should should have coaches from their country.
     
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  10. alcoauth

    alcoauth Well-Known Member

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    How do people feel about fast tracking citizenship to gifted players in order to make them eligible for a national team?
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

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    Not really keen on it.
     
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  12. SourPatch2

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    I'm not against a foreign coach for the national side, but I've always been of the viewpoint that the rule should be all facets of national teams should be from that country, not just the players. That would lead to FA's needing to develop coaches as well as players which in my opinion would help the game across the globe.
     
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  13. alcoauth

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    Surprised by these takes honestly, they seem antithetical to certain worldviews.

    Everyone is aware of Athletico Bilbao's recruitment policy I presume? How do people feel about that, it's not the Spanish inquisition by the way, I'm just curious because these things don't match in my mind.
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    I don't know what they are or who has them ...

    ... I only know what mine are and am quite happy with them.
     
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  15. alcoauth

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    <devil>

    We can always change that.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    That puts me off for a start.
     
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  17. alcoauth

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    Chill out man, you get very defensive Smug. <laugh>

    I guess on one hand I understand why some would want an English coach for England, I do as well (Howe), but I guess if the motivation is that it should be a hard rule, It makes me think about other rules we have for national eligibility, is it just that an organised body saying you're now eligible that makes it so or is there more to it than that?
     
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  18. FellTop

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    I just find it more balanced to be coached by an Englishman, if you are only allowed to pick English players. Seems to undermine the nature of international competition to me if the richest FA were to be able to buy Pep for example as then you are relying on a different nationality to contribute to a national success.

    Bilbao are an interesting case but generally speaking their policy in the modern era is outdated. I dont think that cam be compared to a national side management choice however. Apples and Pears I think.
     
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  19. The Norton Cat

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    I think an individual would have to be particularly unhinged to object to citizenship making you eligible for call up to a particular national football team (in the same way that citizenship confers a variety of other rights within the state in question) so I find it hard to believe that extending that to the team's manager is antithetical to anything.

    Athletic (and it is Athletic, never Atletico or Athletico) Bilbao's recruitment policy simply states that players must be born in the Basque region or have come through junior clubs in the Basque region, so it's not really that stringent.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    It may well do but I'm talking about football which is just a game ...

    ... I'm just not interested in political arguments on a thread about it.

    I'm perfectly chilled out, you just don't get my sense of humour.
     
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