Off Topic General Election

And twice as many votes as the Greens

 

Apply the same to those nauseous over spotlighted Scottish Nationalists.

 

You could equally argue that by standing down all UKIP candidates in the previous election, NF helped the Tories get an 80 seat majority with their promise to "Get Brexit Done"

 

No Reform candidate stood in my constituency and the Labour guy got in by a few hundred votes. I think that's a truer longer term indication of how the election really went, the next one will undoubtedly be closer and involve at least two very different looking parties.

 

Not much left to be spotlighted anymore...

The focus may now switch to the 'friends of Gaza' independent party's.

 

Yes, and will probably include an even greater input from Putin.

 

I was under the impression that many on the right who feel disenfranchised by the Tories would have voted that way. If the Tories go further to the right then I can't see a place for a limited company like Reform.

 

This election has shown that once again Britain is out of kilter with the EU politically. The overall result of this election is that we have a left of centre government with a strong majority and a strong (even more left?) Lib-Dem showing to boot. On the continent meanwhile, you have far right leaders in Italy, and Netherlands, and although they might not win the 2nd round in France, their National Rally party seems to get stronger every election.

Alarmingly, the far right are on the rise in Germany - and we know where that leads!

 

Tories will tear themselves apart over this for the next 2 years at least

 

He'll be dead by then.

 

Those on the left said Johnson did not have a mandate as he only got 43% of the vote ( no party since 1945 has got more than 49%). Now they will be saying that Starmer with 35% has an overwhelming mandate. Laughable.

 

does one drive the other though?

 

The Tories wouldn’t either. The system suits both of them. Under PR Reform would have a big say in things and could swing votes in the HoP and have to be given a voice. It is Reform this time, could be another party another time.

 

Exactly this. It is a Duopoly and neither of the main 2 parties are going to introduce PR - it would be like turkeys voting for Xmas

 

We now have two major parties and three other parties (Lib Dems, Greens and Reform) that have strong support among certain parts of the electorate and yet Labour win by a huge margin despite only getting 35% of the vote, the Lib Dems are over represented and the Greens and Reform should have more representation in parliament.

FPTP isn’t a fair reflection of the electorate in this country.

 

the Nazis were the Socialist Workers Party of Germany who encouraged anti Jewish sentiment - I think you will find that is more akin to the far left over here rather than the far right - Starmer has been fighting to get these extremists out of Labour but its never far away, it's rife within the party

 

It isn’t but PR can lead to endless coalitions and nothing getting done, Italy down the years is an example. Hitler would not have been appointed Chancellor under FPTP.
Neither party will change the system as as it is the wishes of the majority can be ignored no matter who is in power.

 

IMO it shows that the left doesn't currently have a strong opposition. The Tories are in a real state and Reform is little more than a protest vote, as UKIP was.

 

Mmm, that’s a bit disingenuous and simplistic.

The Nazis originally had two major factions - the Hitlerites and Strasserites. The Hitlerites believed in the Führerprinzip, were pro-business/capitalist and courted the support of landowners and the middle-class and upper-class of Germany. The Strasserites were the more ‘socialist’ faction of the Nazi Party. They wanted a vanguard party, nationalisation/socialisation of the means of production, land reform to break up the Junker estates, workers’ councils similar to the soviets in the early Soviet Union and closer diplomatic ties to the Soviet Union than the West. The Strasserites were utterly purged during the Night of the Long Knives.

The Nazi Party were firmly a pro-capitalist party post-1934. Once in power, they actually introduced large-scale privatisation of banks and industries that Thatcher and Reagan could only dream of.

http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf

This paper goes into detail about it.

 

True, but many of the MP's to the right of the party were able to keep their seats. The shift may have been decided for them. As more centrist MP's leave they'll likely be replaced by Reform ones. 30p Lee could change again. He's switched more times than I have energy companies.