And yet they picked up a million less votes than Reform, but take 64 more seats. FPTP is convenient, but not remotely democratic.
I don’t think black people are ever going to vote en masse for them. She’ll appeal to Reform voters. She’s young, says what they want to hear but it’s an uphill battle. If they don’t do some sort of deal with Reform they’ll have that to contend with and just simple demographics. Their voter base is dying and young people ain’t going near them.
Something like a transferable vote I’d support. To make votes count for more. It doesn’t need to be pure PR. Chances are nobody would win so we’d end up with a Lab-Lib coalition but YOLO.
FPTP is geared toward democracy concentrated at an intensely local level, which I suppose is quite British for its parochialism. But it belongs to a bygone era. In a time of mass communication and globalisation, the notion of small devolved government is pretty much defunct. We have a system in which by design millions of votes will be wasted before they even start counting. I've never been comfortable with that. Part List-PR systems are probably the most democratic but the price for that is that they are also the most chaotic, with individual parties often struggling to establish a clear majority. And it also allows for fringe parties to be kingmakers which can be good but is also a big risk. See Israel's government for example. Their voting system is miles ahead of ours as a democracy, but it comes with a heavy price to pay when it doesn't work. I guess the bottom line is democracy is inherently imperfect and messy.
Worth remembering that they have a form of PR in France, Holland and Italy, and I’m ****ing glad we’re not them right now. FPTP is flawed but so are all the other systems.
To answer your point. They've won seats on the current system and that's all the result demonstrates. If there was any form of PR system the electorate would respond accordingly and the numbers voting for Libdems would probably go up significantly.
That's an interesting point. Maybe there would be a shift in voter psychology. But then again, does the average voter even understand the difference between the systems? Would they listen if it was explained to them? I'm not convinced.
I think ppl would need to go through one GE for ppl to see what happens to their vote to get their head round it. I've heard PR would be catastrophic for the Conservatives but I don't know why tbh.
I'm not reading back, everyone happy? Well done Keir Pleased to see Ed Davey rewarded for his efforts Did Reform get 4 in the end (as I predicted) fook knows where they got 13 from at the Exit poll Tories DEAD Truss DEAD Mourdant DEAD Moggs DEAD All DEAD Over to you boss... please log in to view this image
I've always thought it would be much of a muchness for Labour and Tories. The parties who stand to gain the most from it would be Libs, Greens and now Reform. The two big fish would lose equally huge pools of seats to those.
Yeh fair point as things stand but if you take Farage out would Reform still have the same appeal? I do think it's a one man party. Ppl voted for him imo whereas the likes of Libdems and Greens would have stable long term numbers.
